Shorts Belfast at Cairns - Any News?

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I was just wondering if there were any developments regarding the Belfast sitting at Cairns in Australia? Last I heard was a possible engine run being planned / taking place.


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Wyvernfan wrote:I was just wondering if there were any developments regarding the Belfast sitting at Cairns in Australia? Last I heard was a possible engine run being planned / taking place.


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Read on Facebook recently that it will be getting the chop per the Airports request.
Really hope that’s not the case, but I can’t see how anyone could use it for a profit?

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Thanks for the reply.

IMO It should never of left the UK in the first place, but of course it went to whoever could afford to buy it and use it.
But If it is cut up as you say, then that just leaves one complete example left - just one, the same as another giant RAF transport, the Blackburn Beverley. A sad state of affairs for any aircraft type to find itself in, and more so for larger types!


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Given the small number produced to currently have two survive is a surprise. Sad if the Cairns example is lost, glad that Cosford has at least got XR371 under cover.
Reference is made to the greater risk that the sole survivor Blackburn Beverley faces. Whilst I am sure the owners of XB259 do their best sadly they have a very large aircraft to look after.

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Wyvernfan wrote: A sad state of affairs for any aircraft type to find itself in, and more so for larger types!

Rob


When you consider only one military Argosy and Andover also survive preserved in the UK, the fact that after the war mass produced military types with incredible and important service histories such as the Stirling :mad: , Halifax :mad: and Master :wall: were wiped off the map of the country, its not a great surprise. From the other side 20% of all Belfasts still exist which is a very high percentage. :shock:
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The 20% survival rate, indeed a 10% rate, should the Cairns example be lost is high but it is still just one. With the Cosford example one with a safe, undercover future. As is both the Andover and Argosy. In terms of large RAF transports the Beverley is certainty of most concern.
The mass scrapping in the late 1940's was simply a sign of the times. Sure some aircraft slipped through the preservation net. But is is still happening today. How many Hawk, Tucano and Tornado have made to true preservation ?
Only one RAF C-130 has been saved, again at Cosford, and I would doubt any of the remaining in service will be preserved.
Think I am correct in saying no Nimrod or VC-10 is preserved undercover and only one Shackleton (under cover) , WR960 at Manchester, and that is looking for a new home.
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DOUGHNUT wrote:The 20% survival rate, indeed a 10% rate, should the Cairns example be lost is high but it is still just one. With the Cosford example one with a safe, undercover future. As is both the Andover and Argosy. In terms of large RAF transports the Beverley is certainty of most concern.
The mass scrapping in the late 1940's was simply a sign of the times. Sure some aircraft slipped through the preservation net. But is is still happening today. How many Hawk, Tucano and Tornado have made to true preservation ?
Only one RAF C-130 has been saved, again at Cosford, and I would doubt any of the remaining in service will be preserved.
Think I am correct in saying no Nimrod or VC-10 is preserved undercover and only one Shackleton, WR960 at Manchester, and that is looking for a new home.



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The Duxford Shackleton is under cover but in pieces. Anybody know if it is down for conservation?

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As the Beverley has been mentioned, what sort of condition is the airframe in, given its position close to salt air?

I appreciate that being outside is not good but has the salt environment had a detrimental effect beyond just being outside?
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Wouldn't be surprised if the Duxford Shackleton quietly disappears like the Convair T29, Varsity and RAF Comet

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Keefy041 wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if the Duxford Shackleton quietly disappears like the Convair T29, Varsity and RAF Comet

It may yet turn out to still belong to the RAF; so not as easy for Dx to dispose of as they may have hoped!
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Doughnut: slightly off topic, but the nose and cockpit of VC10 ZA149 are preserved at the Al Mahatta museum on the site of the former RAF Sharjah in the UAE, in Gulf Air colours. Although the nose is outside, the entrance is through the wall from the inside of the hangar.
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Hi Rob

Ditched FP Forum as well ?

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I have for now JC. Absolute shambles over there :facepalm: - although i hear its starting to improve.

Getting back to the Belfast. If the euromillions Numbers come up, would a ferry flight back to the UK for preservation be feasible, or are the RR Tyne’s not permitted to operate in / over the UK anymore?!


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We've not banned Transalls and Atlantiques, I appreciate different model numbers, so I don't think the Tynes would be the problem but more the issue a 55 year old giant rust bucket that hasn't moved for 10 years is even considered to be heaved into the air. :hide:
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Nothing is happening to the Belfast yet. Latest is that she will be flown to Singapore for a heavy maintenance check and then used for Cargo once again. Like all things I will believe it when I see it.

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Thanks for the update. I would appreciate any updates on its status as and when you hear of any.


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