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Bruntingthorpe Closure?

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Whilst it is only on social media so naturally until something is officially announced a friend who works on one of the larger aircraft has said that the whole site is to be given over to car storage including the area the aircraft are on.

If true, it would be a great loss of so many incredibly rare aircraft, the smaller aircraft could at some cost be removed but the large birds...
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Well they can fly the Victor out :hide:
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I can only find one planning application on the system.... which was due for decision mid last month.

This application does not expand the area to be used for vehicle storage over what was granted in 1998.
This area does not include the runway.
There are a significant number of dispersals not included in the storage area.
The taxiways are not included in the application.

The application does alter a condition in the original 1998 application regarding the number of vehicles that can be stored on the site and/or total number of movements in or out of the site.

So unless someone can point me to something else, I'm calling this rumour a.... rumour.

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While not stating a view on its merits either one way or another, such uncertainties do give credence to the informed decision taken by VTTS not to relocate a certain airframe to this place! :smile:

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106500 wrote:While not stating a view on its merits either one way or another, such uncertainties do give credence to the informed decision taken by VTTS not to relocate a certain airframe to this place! :smile:


Or you could take the view that the Vulcan would have enabled the development of a heritage facility with unrestricted runway use and good access. Lots of aeroplanes at Bruntingthorpe that would have been far more attractive alongside the Vulcan.

Anyway, as “informed” as a decision taken 5 years ago was, you assume the Vulcan was even welcome at Bruntingthorpe, considering what the Walton family did to save the aircraft and the thanks they got...

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Can we not turn this into an XH558 thread please, there's more to Bruntingthorpe than an aircraft that isnt there
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The museum as been closed at the weekend since before xmas. No weekend visitors for the aircraft area, due to works being carried out close to that area. Sure it will be only a tempeory measure. The airfield is going to be for many years to come with strong investment in the place with the test track. Sure the track will work hand in hand with this, just like it as over the last 30 years.

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Domvickery wrote:Can we not turn this into an XH558 thread please, there's more to Bruntingthorpe than an aircraft that isnt there


He started it! :biggrin: :lol:

And personally, having donated much time, blood, sweat and tears to the aircraft resident at Brunty, know that point very well indeed.

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GertrudetheMerciless wrote:
106500 wrote:Or you could take the view that the Vulcan would have enabled the development of a heritage facility with unrestricted runway use and good access. Lots of aeroplanes at Bruntingthorpe that would have been far more attractive alongside the Vulcan.


Given that none of them fly, do they need unrestricted runway use?

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Alanko wrote:
GertrudetheMerciless wrote:
106500 wrote:Or you could take the view that the Vulcan would have enabled the development of a heritage facility with unrestricted runway use and good access. Lots of aeroplanes at Bruntingthorpe that would have been far more attractive alongside the Vulcan.


Given that none of them fly, do they need unrestricted runway use?


If you want to do regular fast taxi runs, yes.

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GertrudetheMerciless wrote:
Alanko wrote:
GertrudetheMerciless wrote:
106500 wrote:Or you could take the view that the Vulcan would have enabled the development of a heritage facility with unrestricted runway use and good access. Lots of aeroplanes at Bruntingthorpe that would have been far more attractive alongside the Vulcan.


Given that none of them fly, do they need unrestricted runway use?


If you want to do regular fast taxi runs, yes.

Even with 558 and a heritage facility there, I doubt there'd be unrestricted runway access. The owners aren't going to turn down good business just so some old plane(s) can burn up the runway a few times.

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"The owners aren't going to turn down good business just so some old plane(s) can burn up the runway a few times."

True the owners have a business to run but if you look back over the last twenty years the owners have tried on several occasions to increase Bruntingthorpe's aviation activities. Both aviation business and museum / heritage operations were supported by David Walton, it was the local authority who continued to refuse permission for airfield operations.
Sad out come for all involved. Not only the museum groups, remember GJD Aviation / Gary Spoors invested time and effort into Bruntingthorpe guess the lack of support from the local authority forced his hand.

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Reds Rolling wrote:
GertrudetheMerciless wrote:
Alanko wrote:
GertrudetheMerciless wrote:
106500 wrote:Or you could take the view that the Vulcan would have enabled the development of a heritage facility with unrestricted runway use and good access. Lots of aeroplanes at Bruntingthorpe that would have been far more attractive alongside the Vulcan.


Given that none of them fly, do they need unrestricted runway use?


If you want to do regular fast taxi runs, yes.

Even with 558 and a heritage facility there, I doubt there'd be unrestricted runway access. The owners aren't going to turn down good business just so some old plane(s) can burn up the runway a few times.


I take it we’ve now heard the last of the “what about a one off ferry flight” and “they haven’t a clue what they’re doing up there in Donny” statements and similar then! Hate to say it but it sounds like they were right after all :grin:

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106500 wrote:
Reds Rolling wrote:
GertrudetheMerciless wrote:
Alanko wrote:
GertrudetheMerciless wrote:
106500 wrote:Or you could take the view that the Vulcan would have enabled the development of a heritage facility with unrestricted runway use and good access. Lots of aeroplanes at Bruntingthorpe that would have been far more attractive alongside the Vulcan.


Given that none of them fly, do they need unrestricted runway use?


If you want to do regular fast taxi runs, yes.

Even with 558 and a heritage facility there, I doubt there'd be unrestricted runway access. The owners aren't going to turn down good business just so some old plane(s) can burn up the runway a few times.


I take it we’ve now heard the last of the “what about a one off ferry flight” and “they haven’t a clue what they’re doing up there in Donny” statements and similar then! Hate to say it but it sounds like they were right after all :grin:


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Domvickery wrote:Can we not turn this into an XH558 thread please, there's more to Bruntingthorpe than an aircraft that isnt there


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Update Re Bruntingthorpe Proving Ground via their website posted today

https://www.bruntingthorpe.com/news-and ... cquisition

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They are very clear that the Museum is currently closed with no info on re-opening. If the new owners already have a base there, perhaps they will understand (even enjoy) what goes on with the fast taxi days.

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Doesn't sound good. I get the impression it was David Walton's passion for aircraft that allowed the aviation groups to coexist with the day to day business. The new owners probably don't share that passion. Let's hope something was written into the sale agreement that the aircraft would be allowed to stay in some capacity, or that the new owner are generous enough to allow them to continue. Letting people in for the open days could be a problem though for security even if the aircraft do stay.

I haven't seen any seen any announcements from the LPG, ZD241 groups etc yet.

What a damn shame if its all over.

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sdad wrote:They are very clear that the Museum is currently closed with no info on re-opening. If the new owners already have a base there, perhaps they will understand (even enjoy) what goes on with the fast taxi days.


Sadly, considering most of the recent expansion came with the facility their group already owns, I think this may be optimistic.

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Xm657 wrote:I haven't seen any seen any announcements from the LPG, ZD241 groups etc yet.


The ZD241 team will release something once we’ve had formal confirmation of what the future holds. Planning for 2020 has considered this outcome as being possible; as you all know there had been no confirmation of Open Days going ahead this year. For a team such as ZD241, this is vital as funds need to be allocated for fuel, insurance, consumables etc.

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From my reading of the PR - whilst the car business may have been sold it doesnt seem to say that the site has been so I'd be waiting for official confirmation ref the aircraft. I'd be very surprised if Dave wanted to give up the aircraft side TBH, plus the airfield make money from the runway -they used to get paid by the CAA as an emergency diversion airfield (ie for a hijacking etc) and IIRC even by NASA as an alternative site for the space shuttle it being nearly 2 miles long it is one of the longest in the UK. Add to that the money from TV useage, car firm trials etc I would be very surprised if the runway is forfeit.

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TEXANTOMCAT wrote:...whilst the car business may have been sold it doesnt seem to say that the site has been...


The piece reads "As part of the deal, Cox Automotive UK has acquired CWL’s vehicle services business which operates from three locations in Bruntingthorpe (Leicestershire), Wyton (Cambridgeshire) and Long Bennington (Lincolnshire). The deal also includes CWL’s proving ground and events businesses."

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A huge shame if this is the end, as indeed it looks like. Bruntingthorpe, the aircraft and their fantastic hardworking teams and indeed David Walton have given me some fantastic aviation memories down the years.

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tache3 wrote:
TEXANTOMCAT wrote:...whilst the car business may have been sold it doesnt seem to say that the site has been...


The piece reads "As part of the deal, Cox Automotive UK has acquired CWL’s vehicle services business which operates from three locations in Bruntingthorpe (Leicestershire), Wyton (Cambridgeshire) and Long Bennington (Lincolnshire). The deal also includes CWL’s proving ground and events businesses."


Thank you- I guess we’ll see if that includes the land itself

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Ancient Monuments and Archaeological Areas Act 1979

A Monument can be (among other things) - "A site comprising any vehicle, vessel, aircraft or other moveable structure (or contains the remains of one)"

"Damage to a monument is a criminal offence and any works taking place within one require scheduled monument consent from the Secretary of State. The Act also provides for taking monuments into the care of the Secretary of State – the concept of 'guardianship' where a monument remains in private ownership but the monument is cared for and (usually) opened to the public by the relevant national heritage body."

https://historicengland.org.uk/advice/h ... monuments/

"The protected site of a monument may also include any land adjoining it essential for its support and preservation"

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