Duxford Storm Damage

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The Daily Mirror newspaper (if you can call the toilet paper rag that) is reporting M11 closed at Duxford due to damage to a hanger roof.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-storm-ciara-m11-closed-21461818
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Not good news, particularly as aircraft are suspended from that ceiling!

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The outer cladding of AirSpace has needed repairs after storms in the past, fingers crossed there's no damage to exhibits.

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It is only the outer skin which is attached to the concrete roof, structurally the suspended aircraft should still be hanging as they would not be attached to the outer skins.
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Parts of the roof came off back in winter 2013/2014 during storms and insulation spread far and wide.

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Piccies of the damage in this link, scroll down a bit

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/l ... d-17717580

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On the Duxford web site but not social media.

IWM Duxford will remain closed today (Monday 10th February) and will re-open once deemed safe to do.


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Motorists have been advised to make alternative plans after Highways England announced the motorway could remain closed until Wednesday A 1 mile exclusion zone has been set up as the building has been deemed to be unsafe :shock:

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The building is not unsafe, just the cladding on the roof as 40+mph winds are still forecast for Tuesday.

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Pen Pusher wrote:The building is not unsafe, just the cladding on the roof as 40+mph winds are still forecast for Tuesday.

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https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/c ... c-17718700

Just posted the link from Cambridge news this morning, the quote is just below the second pictures, so not my comment Brian why would they put a 1 mile exclusion zone in I'm not suggesting the building will collapse but !!

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Because in this risk averse world the easy answer is to say no. And avoid the slightest danger. Agree the museum should be closed awhile works to understand what has happened and to plan what is need to fix the problem

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Closing the motorway seems a bit OTT ,Surely anyone driving faces more danger from trees .

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Flyforfun wrote:Closing the motorway seems a bit OTT ,Surely anyone driving faces more danger from trees .


If someone was injured by the damaged roof coming off the Highways Agency / IWM would be burned to a crisp by the lawyers in the inevitable litigation. Trees are a different issue
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Of it were a privately owned building doubt they would have closed the motorway. IWM owned means any claim would be against government.

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DOUGHNUT wrote: IWM owned means any claim would be against government.


Why would there be claims against the Government.?

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Flyforfun wrote:Closing the motorway seems a bit OTT ,Surely anyone driving faces more danger from trees .


The failure of the roof cladding is a known risk and more could detach while the wind speed is high - to not take steps to mitigate the risk would be seen as negligent - it's only about 500' to the M11.
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IWM = government if there were a claim for damages. Same as if your shed roof blown off as drivers claim against you.
IWM are not going to take the risk.

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DOUGHNUT wrote:IWM = government if there were a claim for damages. Same as if your shed roof blown off as drivers claim against you.
IWM are not going to take the risk.


IWM isn't a Government organisation so why would there be claims against the Government.?.

When I got run over by the site transport, the claim wasn't against the Government but the IWM insurers.

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Pen Pusher wrote: IWM isn't a Government organisation so why would there be claims against the Government.?.

When I got run over by the site transport, the claim wasn't against the Government but the IWM insurers.

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The Imperial War Museum is an executive non-departmental public body under the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport. It's owned by the state.

If you get run over by a man in a car, you sue the driver and claim against his insurers.

If someone was to be injured by flying bits of IWM, they would sue the corporate bodies responsible if there is clear negligence - the Trust that runs the IWM on behalf of the state and / or the Highways agency who would look to their liability insurers to pay the bill if they lost. The worst excesses of ambulance chasing litigation leads directly to this very risk averse culture, but ultimately its very sensible to make sure that if there's an obvious hazard its not going to create any problems.

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M11/A505 open again

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From IWM Twitter -

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IWM Duxford will fully re-open to both visitors and staff as of tomorrow (Tuesday 11th February).

Work with engineers on the roof of the Air Space hangar is ongoing.

We apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused and appreciate your patience.


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Shouldn't they be having a few words with the architects about the roof being unfit for purpose?

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If someone was to be injured by flying bits of IWM, they would sue the corporate bodies responsible if there is clear negligence - the Trust that runs the IWM on behalf of the state and / or the Highways agency who would look to their liability insurers to pay the bill if they lost. The worst excesses of ambulance chasing litigation leads directly to this very risk averse culture, but ultimately its very sensible to make sure that if there's an obvious hazard its not going to create any problems.


Negligence is difficult to prove and in any case, where is the negligence i.e. in the design, manufacture, installation, maintenance etc.? As for their insurers, they are likely to have included a 'Force Majeure' or 'Act of God' clause in the insurance policy which would absolve the insurers from such a claim. Unless buildings have been designed to be earthquake proof, hurricane resistant etc. and such requirements set out in the original building contract then there is unlikely to be a claim there. Individuals that have suffered a loss may however, have a claim against the IWM and that would have to be proven in a court of law.

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Maybe the Architects responsible need to consult the design criteria for the 1918 Belfast Trust Hangars built out of brick and wood. They seem to have stood the test of time for 102 years unlike the hi-tech/modern thinking and now repaired/improved AirSpace design... :tongue:

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