Will air shows be cancelled because of coronavirus

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timuss wrote:Sadly it wont be the last, i think this season i fear could be a write off.

This. Not just because of the current chaos but even if everything is (christ I hope so) fine and dandy by say, July then most of the Display acts haven't had much/ any rehearsal time and zero time in front of a live crowd. That and by then all the major shows are done.... Pretty crap all round.
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Sultan of Wings wrote:
FlankerPhoto wrote:Postponed, rather than cancelled.

Yeovilton cancelled.


^^^^^^
This.

It was cancelled......now changed to postponed.

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You all keep safe from the Wuhan virus, please.


I personally can't see any value in all these suspended Events being rammed into the latter part of the Season. There would be a dilution of attendance due to date-clashes, lack of disposable cash & the potential increased threat of poor weather? Agreed the latter could equally be brilliant weather even into early November as we don't have defined weather seasons anymore.
From the Operators perspective there is the financial cost of maintaining Demo' currency for the whole Season with inherent risk to health of all involved, just on the off-chance of a couple of 'possible-bookings'. These are extreme times & IMO we/they should write-off 2020, as these potential deferred 2020 events maybe just over 7 months from a more organised 2021 season event? "Turn-off & Turn-on again" usually works! :wink:
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I wonder if, now, at 24,000 confirmed deaths globally even with many countries literally under lockdown to keep the figure as low as possible, people who earlier posted in this thread are prepared to reevaluate their blasé comments.
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Wissam24 wrote:I wonder if, now, at 24,000 confirmed deaths globally even with many countries literally under lockdown to keep the figure as low as possible, people who earlier posted in this thread are prepared to reevaluate their blasé comments.


+1...but highly unlikely..after all some seem proud to say they are doing alright out of this situation in another thread.

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We have clearly taked about the issue to us fans but what of the issue to the display community/industry? I'm no expert so happy to be corrected but a warbird sitting in a hanger all year will still incur certain fixed overheads that will need to be met with little or no income coming in from display fees. And the concept of "currency" is still fresh in our minds so pilots still need to get hours in their log books.
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I just got a email telling me that Scotland's National Airshow at East Fortune has been cancelled.
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Not sure your under 70 point is actually true, and as for an 'inconvenience' its a total change of life for everyone for an indeterminate length of time..... and don't forget the 'inconvenience' of having shed loads of people die. I'd sure it is 'inconvenient' for them and their families.

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Wissam24 wrote:I wonder if, now, at 24,000 confirmed deaths globally even with many countries literally under lockdown to keep the figure as low as possible, people who earlier posted in this thread are prepared to reevaluate their blasé comments.

Nothing like a damn good "I told you so" eh Wissam24! :biggrin:

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The under 70 comment maybe right for the majority but not for the parents of the 21 year old girl in the UK or the 16 year old girl in France - or the previously fit medical staff in Italy who have given their lives for their profession.
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"No - if you are under 70 and have no pre existing chronic conditions then this entire thing is simply an inconvenience."

To describe the death of your 70 (or over) year old wife/husband/dad/mum/friend etc as an "inconvenience" is , for me, an all time low point for this forum.

759 now dead in the UK so, perhaps around 5000 people inconvenienced. Since when did bereavement become just an inconveneince?
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Euan Buchan wrote:I just got a email telling me that Scotland's National Airshow at East Fortune has been cancelled.


Only a matter of time, and was expecting it. Here's hoping 2021 will be a cracker.

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OK, let me rephrase that. Why are you, Speedbird, so sure that you know more about this than the entire world's medical and epidemiological expert community?
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We are all at risk of contracting the virus, severity of symptoms and likelihood of mortality increases with existing health issues and age, inaccurate to state that for those under 70 this is nothing more than an inconvenience. Tell that to the reportedly healthy 37 year old British diplomat who died in Budapest this week, and his family. Data from China shows a mortality rate of 1.3% of infected 50-59 yr olds, 3.6% of 60-69, 8.0% of 70-79 etc https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-co ... ity-rates/ . A lot of people are getting infected so small percentages translate into a lot of inconvenience.

Reports from Wuhan and Hong Kong indicate that a proportion of those with acute symptoms who recover are being left with lung damage similar to pulmonary fibrosis, that’s pretty inconvenient as well.

Let’s hope an effective vaccine is available within 12 months and that we’re all around to enjoy the 2021 airshow season. Stay well folks.

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Wissam24 wrote:OK, let me rephrase that. Why are you, Speedbird, so sure that you know more about this than the entire world's medical and epidemiological expert community?


Selective hearing Sam, he won't reply!
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Wissam24 wrote:OK, let me rephrase that. Why are you, Speedbird, so sure that you know more about this than the entire world's medical and epidemiological expert community?


Because some people just feel the need to voice their opinion even when they have absolutely no idea at all! :wall:
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speedbird2639 wrote:So to recap: If you have pre existing conditions or are over 70 then stay safe; everyone else this is just an inconvenience that has interrupted our air shows/ sports/ socialising.


From ITV:

More than a dozen of the latest coronavirus victims had no pre-existing health conditions, NHS says


Death is quite the inconvenience, I posit.

Stop digging, mate. The normally entertaining spiral of self-justification and mental gymnastics that people go through rather than to just say “you know what, I was wrong about that” isn’t funny in this instance.

People are dying.

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"then this entire thing is simply an inconvenience."

OK, this is getting a little weird, Im sorry to spell it out, I thought it was clear. "The entire thing" involves younger people who may have mild symptoms seeing their older friends/relatives die (we are looking at around 20,000 at the moment). Just because a young person has mild symptoms does not lesson the impact of seeing someone they love dying . Surely , even someone with a tiny fragment of empathy can see that?

Given the stats, it's only a matter of time before someone on this forum is hit by this in terms of a friend or relative dying and we need to be extra sensitive re their situation. Something to keep in mind before chucking the word "inconvenient" around on this forum.
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24,000 deaths sounds shocking but globally it’s really just a drop in the ocean. Obviously tragic if one of your loved ones make up that number but the media is sensationalising as much as possible as per normal. There will be millions more deaths as an indirect result of the virus containment measures currently in place due to future economic factors but these will be spread out over the next 10 years or so and governments won’t be seen to be at fault.

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All the self employed people who for years have been using accountants to make their profits disappear into their accounts so they paid little or no tax are now feeling less smug as the Govt has stated that any grant they receive from them will be based on their their declared profits!


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Ok, I'll bite at this part. I am self employed, I pay a Chartered accountant to finalise my Self Assessment every year. I put my LEGITIMATE expenses through like every business. I DO NOT fiddle or pay a PENNY less than I am asked to. My VAT payment goes out EVERY quarter on DD. In short, I PAY MY SHARE! :mad:

As for the rest of the post, I have 3 elderly parents who planned on living out the rest of their lives in the knowledge that they have worked for everything they have and didn't expect their lives to be curtailed by something like this. Inconvenience?? Inconvenience?????

Yes you riled me at that.

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speedbird2639 wrote: For everyone else the Govt has pledged to pay 80% of your normal salary.


Blatantly wrong.

Either through ignorance or because it doesn't suit your agenda you have omitted the "up to £2500" from the govt pledge (so equivalent to a salary of £30k).

As someone who has gone onto this scheme this week from what I have been able to determine from various websites that is a gross figure so income tax, nat insurance and pension contributions etc are still deducted.

Don't get me wrong, it's better than the alternative but for me and thousands of others its only going to be a stopgap as I cannot see anyway my company that works in the construction industry and turns over approx 4m a year is going to be able to survive another couple of months of this. Inconvenient doesn't even begin to cover it

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Anybody else get the impression that Speedbird is DanO's younger brother?
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iainpeden wrote:Anybody else get the impression that Speedbird is DanO's younger brother?


He's certainly something.

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speedbird2639 wrote: For everyone else the Govt has pledged to pay 80% of your normal salary.



And another wrong for you. My son had just changed employers as would most people for an extra 2.5k a year, guess what he can't go on furlough as the Government have refused to pay him 80% and will only get the £96 sick pay for erm 3 weeks is it then he has to go on UC.
The 80% pay only applies if you were employed at the company before I think he said 28th February. Being monthly salaried he left his old employer end February and started new first Monday in March.
Bit of a **** really as he has to look after kids of NHS workers then come home to a vulnerable mother who has to self isolate under government guidance.
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after a considerable time unemployed, and due to a mess up with HMRC, i was not entitled to job seekers payments. However i was also not allowed to get my blood pressure and liver pills (which would keep me alive long term) on the National Health.

So not having monies to buy them i did not have any for 6 months

3 weeks ago i got an agency job, and due to being agency i took work as and when it was offered to me. A grand total of 7 days in that time. Now due to coronavirus, work is even more limited.

And to top it all off i cannot get government money of any kind (because no one has come up with a plan for this scenario) to keep me in food or medicine while this crisis is with us.
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