Boris Force One?

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Tommy wrote:
Wed 17 Jun 2020, 12:03 pm
When we were chatting about it, Andy reminded us of his very excellent PS Whif:

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Shame who ever did it, that they couldn't put the tail fin flash the right way around, and not made it French AF :rolling_eyes:

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Wed 17 Jun 2020, 3:16 pm
Another thing as well, I suppose, I know that they’re due to be retired soon,l (if not already, making the point a bit moot), but aren’t the corporate-looking white BAE 146s of 32(TR) Sqn designed for the purpose of VIP flights?
But maybe PMBJ is taking his children and needs extra capacity?

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Spiny Norman wrote:
Wed 17 Jun 2020, 4:35 pm
Tommy wrote:
Wed 17 Jun 2020, 3:16 pm
Another thing as well, I suppose, I know that they’re due to be retired soon,l (if not already, making the point a bit moot), but aren’t the corporate-looking white BAE 146s of 32(TR) Sqn designed for the purpose of VIP flights?
But maybe PMBJ is taking his children and needs extra capacity?
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ted633 wrote:
Wed 17 Jun 2020, 3:24 pm
The cost may well be quoted to be £900,000, however ALL aircraft must undergo a full repaint every X number of years. (Figure varies, generally every 5 to 10 years). So this one is probably due a respray anyway.
The figure we really need is how much extra this is going to cost, compared to painting it grey.

Exactly, what is the correct level of outrage required;

from 'storm in teacup' its on a schedule and was going to happen anyway and the extra cost of jazzing it up is minor
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'Boris' fiddles while London burns' utter waste of money/vanity project

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Wissam24 wrote:
Wed 17 Jun 2020, 4:42 pm
Spiny Norman wrote:
Wed 17 Jun 2020, 4:35 pm
Tommy wrote:
Wed 17 Jun 2020, 3:16 pm
Another thing as well, I suppose, I know that they’re due to be retired soon,l (if not already, making the point a bit moot), but aren’t the corporate-looking white BAE 146s of 32(TR) Sqn designed for the purpose of VIP flights?
But maybe PMBJ is taking his children and needs extra capacity?
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Hold on. How much? I’ve changed my mind.

(Unless it’s due a repaint anyway and that plus the difference is nil/very little, as speculated above. Need to get to the facts though.)
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Wrexham Mackem wrote:
Wed 17 Jun 2020, 5:10 pm
Hold on. How much? I’ve changed my mind.

(Unless it’s due a repaint anyway and that plus the difference is nil/very little, as speculated above. Need to get to the facts though.)
Nobody does facts anymore, they don't stimulate trolls and huge amounts of internet advertising profits. It would be pretty simple to state a) where this frame is in its maintenance cycle, b) is this just part of the routine cycle c) what is the cost of a standard refit, d) how much extra is the red white and blue going to cost. This is where the BBC should be working to show it's a premium broadcaster and better than the scum media but they won't because they know a million pound is a much better headline.
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So as it is nicknamed Boris Force One and for a bit of fun.... coming to a major gathering of leaders soon....

ImageBORIS FORCE ONE by Andrew Evans, on Flickr

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boff180 wrote:
Wed 17 Jun 2020, 8:13 pm
So as it is nicknamed Boris Force One and for a bit of fun.... coming to a major gathering of leaders soon....
That is awesome, Marshalls take heed, are you happy for this to be reposted on Facebook, credited
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Sure

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Love the JRM winglets, but surely he needs to be lounging all the way along the fuselage for maximum effect?

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I do not understand why the UK government has to pay for this repaint ?
Surely part of the deal with Air Tanker was to supply, operate and maintain a fleet of aircraft use RAF use.
The A330 fleet was always intended for tanker and transport use, hence the non-tanker A330's leased to airlines like Jet 2 and Thomas Cook and recalled to RAF duty as required.

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DOUGHNUT wrote:
Wed 17 Jun 2020, 10:07 pm
I do not understand why the UK government has to pay for this repaint ?
Surely part of the deal with Air Tanker was to supply, operate and maintain a fleet of aircraft use RAF use.
The A330 fleet was always intended for tanker and transport use, hence the non-tanker A330's leased to airlines like Jet 2 and Thomas Cook and recalled to RAF duty as required.
This is why I think that the £900k figure is indeed for the additional paint. I assume the normal maintenance schedule works (including repainting it grey) would be tied up within the normal contract.

That £900k figure has to have come from somewhere, and it seems to me to be easier-plucked from a one-off additional bit of work, rather than going into a hugely complex contract with an overall value and pick out one single piece of contracted work associated with one single jet in the overall fleet.

And if it is legit, then it’s an obscene figure.

If it’s just the normal contract period of works, then less so but it’s normally immensely difficult to pluck a single figure out for one bit of work for one single machine in a multi-fleet overall decades-long contract.

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The aircraft is in for its scheduled maintenance overhaul which will require a complete strip and repaint, the cost is a total of £900,000 all in, it has already been budgeted for and is inline with planned works.

All the BS about just the paint being £900,000 is just the press making the weak of mind fall for what they want the weak of mind to believe.
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Southendnick wrote:
Thu 18 Jun 2020, 9:57 am
The aircraft is in for its scheduled maintenance overhaul which will require a complete strip and repaint, the cost is a total of £900,000 all in, it has already been budgeted for and is inline with planned works.
Do you have a source for that? I was having a quick google last night to try and find the answer but couldn’t come up with much about the source of the £900k figure other than “Government admits”.

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Southendnick wrote:
Thu 18 Jun 2020, 9:57 am
The aircraft is in for its scheduled maintenance overhaul which will require a complete strip and repaint, the cost is a total of £900,000 all in, it has already been budgeted for and is inline with planned works.

All the BS about just the paint being £900,000 is just the press making the weak of mind fall for what they want the weak of mind to believe.
It may be in their budget but that doesn't mean it's free. If it's a new colour scheme other than what is already on the aircraft then it will have to designed, masks made, paint provided etc. That will cost money. Extra money.
Or is that BS as well?

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iainpeden wrote:
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I presume that stands for what I think it stands for :lol:
With just the slightest bit of finesse, I might have made a little less mess.

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CJS wrote:
Thu 18 Jun 2020, 12:43 pm
iainpeden wrote:
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I presume that stands for what I think it stands for :lol:
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A diagram of the what is supposedly the design did the rounds via a number of enthusiast groups last night.

It would have been rude not to have put it on an airframe in photoshop, no detail for the wings or engine nacelles was included in the diagram.....

ImageBased off diagrams supposedly showing the final scheme, this is the VIP Voyager paint scheme currently in the paint shop. by Andrew Evans, on Flickr

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I take it all back, that looks pretty lovely actually. Apart from the 'United Kingdom' down the side - would that really be necessary?

Let's hope they put you in charge of doing it Andy :lol:
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Size matters
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To quote Brevet Cable:Mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Southendnick wrote:
Thu 18 Jun 2020, 9:57 am
The aircraft is in for its scheduled maintenance overhaul which will require a complete strip and repaint, the cost is a total of £900,000 all in, it has already been budgeted for and is inline with planned works.

All the BS about just the paint being £900,000 is just the press making the weak of mind fall for what they want the weak of mind to believe.
That sounds a bit more like it. £900,000 for a repaint is mad, even by government standards. A quick Google search brings up repaint (only) costs to be less than a 1/4 of that.

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Zoom wrote:
Thu 18 Jun 2020, 1:51 pm



Size matters
That's only his little one, as its cold and wet. He's got a much bigger one when he needs it!
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