F1 2019

Re: F1 2019

Postby Brevet Cable on Sat 13 Apr 2019, 1:04 pm

And what have we learnt from the F1 practice & quali sessions?

The continued guff that the Ferrari is the faster car is still a load of guff.
The Williams is still a piece of garbage.
Hamilton still seems out of sorts with this season's car.

And if you listened to R5's coverage....
Thankfully Bernie Ec. isn't involved in F1 any more, given his Ferrari fetish.
Benson still hates Vettel but seems to be switching his sycophancy from Hamilton to LeClerc.
They still haven't discovered the pointlessness of playing radio-clips of overtakes & incidents ( especially when they then repeatedly talk over it! :roll: )
Their latest buzz-phrase is "On the back-foot" which they seem to feel the need to repeat every few minutes ( or is it some sort of puerile game to see who can say it the most )
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Re: F1 2019

Postby Brevet Cable on Sat 13 Apr 2019, 10:46 pm

Well, that was an interesting race.....
Very close racing throughout, several accidents, wheels falling off, 12 cars getting 2 minute stop-go penalties for ignoring a pit lane exit red light......
No, not F1 ...... Sportscar racing at Circuit Paul Ricard. :biggrin:

Live coverage on radiolemans.co.uk of the main 4 hour 'European Le Mans' race to come at around 11:00hrs.
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Re: F1 2019

Postby pbeardmore on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 10:55 am

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Re: F1 2019

Postby ianf on Sun 28 Apr 2019, 2:52 pm

A interesting race again. Not what was expected for reasons, I will leave till later. Leaving the big three teams aside. The mid field battles are some of the best and closest in a long while. The new batch of drivers continue to catch the eye as well.
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Re: F1 2019

Postby borismorris on Sun 28 Apr 2019, 10:00 pm

The F2 races were better as usual
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Re: F1 2019

Postby rockfordstone on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 8:12 am

Bottas is another level this season. It's really good to see him properly competing with Lewis.

LeClerc is going to be a top driver if Ferrari sort themselves out
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Re: F1 2019

Postby borismorris on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 5:11 pm

To be fair to the reds, I think Leclerc only has himself to blame for his result. Yes they couldve, shouldve brought him in earlier but his race was trashed in the castle section on Saturday.

Had he qualified top 4 (at least) I think he would've been a match for the Mercs.

Good result for the McLarens again
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Re: F1 2019

Postby starbuck on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 10:23 pm

Decent Nascar race yesterday from Talledega, highlights show is being repeated on free sports at various times through the week if anyone’s interested. Brad Keslowskis final pit stop towards the end of the race is particularly entertaining.
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Re: F1 2019

Postby rockfordstone on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 9:22 am

borismorris wrote:To be fair to the reds, I think Leclerc only has himself to blame for his result. Yes they couldve, shouldve brought him in earlier but his race was trashed in the castle section on Saturday.

Had he qualified top 4 (at least) I think he would've been a match for the Mercs.

Good result for the McLarens again

yeah, his starting position cost him. that said i don't think vettel really had anything to offer against the mercs. he seems to be just there this season with leclerc being the faster ferrari
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Re: F1 2019

Postby McG on Mon 13 May 2019, 6:37 pm

The Merc dominance continues. Ferrari brought new engine and aero upgrades to Barcelona, then were even further behind Merc who only brought aero upgrades.

Once Gasly gets more comfortable, I could see Red Bull squeezing both Ferraris out the top 4 if things continue the way they are.

Next up is Monaco and Merc go into that race with the car that has the best slow corner handling in terms of speed and downforce.

The constructors championship could be over by the summer break at this rate.
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Re: F1 2019

Postby borismorris on Tue 14 May 2019, 9:17 pm

F1 to return to Zandvoort in 2020.
Here’s hoping they don’t replace all the gravel run offs with tarmac. A vain hope I know....
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Re: F1 2019

Postby Aviation94 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 8:25 pm

Well I'm a merc fan but I don't agree with that penalty. Not too sure what else vettel could have done.
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Re: F1 2019

Postby ianf on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 8:27 pm

Have to say as a Lewis fan, I totally disagree with the result, and the reason behind it. It simply ruins racing. This will rumble on for quite a bit. :sad:
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Re: F1 2019

Postby Tonka 617 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 9:02 pm

Shameful from the stewards to give Seb that penalty - destroyed the battle between Seb and Lewis in the closing laps.

If anything, you tell Seb over the radio to give the position then let them duke it out on track - 5 seconds was disgusting.

As said previously, no where to go. If Seb had tried to move to the inside after rejoining, potentially could have spun the car and gone in to the wall
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Re: F1 2019

Postby helired3 on Mon 10 Jun 2019, 4:47 pm

not happy with the result but you can't blame the stewards. if anything its the rule that needs looking at. if memory my serves me Hamilton got a harsher penalty for a similar incident in Spa in 2008
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Re: F1 2019

Postby Reds Rolling on Tue 11 Jun 2019, 2:00 pm

The rules were applied and the decision was correct; and the same has happened to other drivers in the past.

If Vettel didn't do his usual 'lose control of the car whenever under a bit of pressure' there wouldn't have been a problem anyway. :whistle:
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Re: F1 2019

Postby speedbird2639 on Tue 11 Jun 2019, 5:15 pm

Reds Rolling wrote:The rules were applied and the decision was correct; and the same has happened to other drivers in the past.

If Vettel didn't do his usual 'lose control of the car whenever under a bit of pressure' there wouldn't have been a problem anyway. :whistle:


Agreed.

As Jolyon Palmer points out in his column Ferrari have benefited from an almost identical penalty being applied to someone who 'wronged' them in the recent past.

Maybe a more pragmatic way of dealing with it would have been to offer Vettel the chance to let Hamilton past, thus giving him the opportunity to re-pass him if he could later, and if he declined that offer THEN apply the penalty. By applying the penalty straight away LH knew all he had to do was follow Vettel home and he had won. But the stewards were right to do what they did within the existing rules as they stand.

Love the way Ferrari are going to appeal a penalty that is exempt from having an appeal lodged against it!
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Re: F1 2019

Postby borismorris on Tue 11 Jun 2019, 6:24 pm

The most telling angle on this matter for me is that (aside from Nico Rosberg and Jo Palmer) every ex-driver with an opinion on the matter has said it was a very harsh penalty.
That’s the likes of Mansell, Mario Andretti, Brundle and Button. They all criticise the decision to name but four.

The opinions of fans and followers of the sport should matter too though, from my point of view I felt that it totally destroyed the spectacle and gave Lewis the ‘easy’ task of just following Seb home.

No one wants to see a race finish like that.

The bottom line though for me, is that had there been tarmac there Lewis would not have been near enough to be able to stick a nose in an ever diminishing gap and then cry foul.
Plenty of times we see cars straight-line chicanes and NOT get punished. Lets not forget either that Lewis was not right behind Vettel at the time. Whilst not a huge one there was a gap.

For those folk insisting SV turned right to block LH I would suggest considering the speed SV has just caught his car at, changing from tarmac to grass, across a kerb and back on to tarmac at probably over 100mph. To suggest in that blink of an eye he had the presence of mind to block Lewis? Nah, Sebs sole focus was on regaining control and keeping it out of the wall.

Pretty sure if he had kept left on rejoining the circuit the car would’ve swapped ends and collected the Merc as if travelled backwards across the track.

Just my opinion mind.

The swapping of the finishing position boards in Parc Ferme though was brilliant :grin:
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Re: F1 2019

Postby The Doctor on Wed 12 Jun 2019, 12:47 pm

It was very obviously the correct decision, Seb rejoined the track in a dangerous manner in order to retain the lead. He wouldn't have run out wide if he wasn't mashing the throttle trying to stay in front. The stewards didn't ruin the race, Vettel did when he made the mistake in the first place. The stupid part is that he probably would have been able to re-pass Lewis given his straight line speed advantage if he had done the correct thing and not tried to run him off the road.

As good a driver as he is, Vettel clearly has a serious God complex problem on the track and I am glad he got pulled up for it.
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Re: F1 2019

Postby Southendnick on Thu 13 Jun 2019, 11:18 am

Farrari have dropped the appeal.
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Re: F1 2019

Postby helired3 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 4:58 pm

Ferrari lodges official FIA request for review of Vettel's penalty

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14419 ... lty-review
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Re: F1 2019

Postby rockfordstone on Tue 18 Jun 2019, 8:47 am

to me the most sensible course of action would have been for them to ask vettel to let hamilton pass and try and then beat him on track. Ferrari could have done that and it would likely have not meant a penalty. the penalty for me made the rest of the race pointless.

having watch it multiple times, i think it's harsh. However, he lost control before the corner and didn't seem to make an effort to slow down over the grass meaning he came back on to the track without control of the car. his mistake and resulting action did ultimately block another car and could have potentially caused an accident.

harsh, but i can see why it was given and let's not pretend Ferrari wouldn't have done the same if it was the other way round.
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Re: F1 2019

Postby Ken Shabby on Wed 26 Jun 2019, 8:48 pm

borismorris wrote:F1 to return to Zandvoort in 2020.
Here’s hoping they don’t replace all the gravel run offs with tarmac. A vain hope I know....


Oh, but they will, won't they. A driver mustn't be penalised for making a mistake. That means their car will be out of the race and the sponsors won't get their 'brands' on the TV.

We couldn't have that. A sport mustn't be allowed to get in the way of a good marketing opportunity.
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Re: F1 2019

Postby Ken Shabby on Fri 28 Jun 2019, 5:34 pm

Really good piece by Mark Hughes on the Motor Sport website which just about sums-up F1 at the moment in my opinion.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... XL,2JAG2,1

You'd hope someone sees sense over the new regulations, otherwise I fear we'll spend another five years pretending we're getting off on who finishes seventh.
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Re: F1 2019

Postby borismorris on Sun 30 Jun 2019, 10:26 am

Grid penalties

Ham qualifies 2nd
Magnussen q5

Mag gets a 5place drop
Ham gets a 3place drop

Mag starts 10th (a 5 place drop)
Ham starts 4th (a 2 place drop)

On what planet does that even begin to make sense?

:wall: :dizzy:
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