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Sorry but why the hell is society tolerating this sort of gang behaviour, even defending it by rioting?

They are rioting wanting "justice" for the man who was shot by the Police as he had a wife and kids.

What about the Police Officer that the guy shot first? What about his family?

They are calling for justice, imho justice has already been done, innocent people don't shoot Police Officers.

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Am I the only one to think that this had very little to do the with the alleged scum bag the Police shot, and more to do with mindless thuggery?.
Sadly this seems to be the shape of things to come really, I do not know the area well but from what I can see a few very nice old buildings may have been destroyed.

Not impresed and all over nothing.

PS Posted this elsewhere but feel the sentiment the same in this thread.
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I'm sure that many from the area are as horrified as most everyone else at this behaviour,but.....HD tellies,Radio's,PCs, half price anyone? ...all bankrupt stock,cash only :wink:

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News breaking on other forums and on facebook;

a full riot has kicked off in Enfield tonight, in addition there are riot police and crowds facing off under high tension in Brixton, Stratford and Peckham.

This needs to be stopped now, no more hug a huddie, get the baton rounds out and stop them in their tracks before more innocent people lose their livelihoods or worse.

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Hard line policing needs to be enforced. No other country would put up with this kind of mindless violence.
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DanO1978 wrote:I notice one simpleton has Tweeted a photograph of himself with his haul of loot...


Well, lets hope that this picture can be used in evidence against him and it comes back round to bite him in the backside.

It just seems that these days there are some sections of society that are desperate for any opportunity to be violent. Take for example all the riots that have taken place over the last couple of years - they start off with people wanting to engage in legitimate and peaceful protest but then the thugs arrive who have no interest in whatever the protest is about, and are only there because they see it as a chance to cause trouble.
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DanO1978 wrote:That most cancerous of influences, "Red" Ken Livingstone is apparently beating the drum that the riots are all down to the government's spending cuts. Tosh and nonsense - these are gangs of people wanting to riot and steal for the fun of it, politics has nothing to do with it.

Utter clown, and a joke figure even among his own fellow Lefties http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8687484/Ken-Livingstone-blames-Tottenham-riot-on-spending-cuts.html


Completely agree with you Dan, +1 on my end! I have never been able to understand Ken Livingstone's statements, and this just intensifies my dislike of him. Someone should give him some malted milk, a nightcap, put him into bed and lock the door.

I also can't believe the thugs that loot innocent people's livelihoods - they didn't kill the man ( who shot a police officer! ) and, why take it out on their neighbours! I also have a dislike to the people who set businesses on fire..... not realising that flats were above! People could have been killed, all because one **** shot a police officer, the police returned fire, killed him and the thugs think this is an excuse to riot. Justice done.

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While not defending the rioting, there appears to be some doubt as to who shot who on Thursday. I'm sure the Met will investigate the original incident in the fullness of time and justice will be done.

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Phil_NCFC wrote:Hard line policing needs to be enforced. No other country would put up with this kind of mindless violence.


There were riots on the streets of Paris every night for 2 weeks not so long ago and they have a much harder line of policing.....

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DerekF wrote:While not defending the rioting, there appears to be some doubt as to who shot who on Thursday. I'm sure the Met will investigate the original incident in the fullness of time and justice will be done.


Indeed and this investigation cannot be rushed. I understand people want answers but it's vital that they get the right answers.

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DanO1978 wrote:That most cancerous of influences, "Red" Ken Livingstone is apparently beating the drum that the riots are all down to the government's spending cuts. Tosh and nonsense - these are gangs of people wanting to riot and steal for the fun of it, politics has nothing to do with it.

Utter clown, and a joke figure even among his own fellow Lefties http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8687484/Ken-Livingstone-blames-Tottenham-riot-on-spending-cuts.html


I have to disagree with you. I am a Tory voter by nature, yet I respect Ken Livingstone's commited stance to his ideal's. His love of London cannot be denied. Now I don't always agree with his policies and views I can respect his point of view.

In this case if you look beyond the headlines there may actually be some resonance with David Cameron's big society idea. It was noted in a Guardian paper that due to cuts there had been a drastic curtailing of youth clubs and activities in these areas, there was a thought this might lead to a rise in unlawfulness. It appears to have come true. The youth clubs and activities in these areas help to keep the young people off the streets, and can move them into more creative outlets.

So these youth clubs appear to be part of David Cameron's big society type idea, getting local pepole to help themselves. I expect David Cameron hopes that is self-funding. In areas of poverty that is near impossible.

I don't condone the violence and lawlessness we saw, I just try to understand where the seeds of these actions come from.

Youth clubs in these areas won't be a panacea to all the ills, but it might keep the numbers down that riot or become thugs.
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and a lack of fear for authority


That what we need isn't it - fear of authority. What's wrong with respect? Fear of authority is what happens in totalitarian countries - Oh wait....

13 years of Socialism, and pandering to the criminal needs to be reversed.


politics has nothing to do with it.


Another pair of contradictory statements. Unbelievable that you should even try and blame this criminal activity on the last government. You just criticized Ken Livingstone for making political capital out of this then do the same yourself.

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My god. The reaction from the UKAR jackboot contingent is so predictable, you could set your watch by it.

Here is some different food for thought-

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... JR.twitter

"a sad truth, expressed by a Londoner when asked by a television reporter: Is rioting the correct way to express your discontent?

"Yes," said the young man. "You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you? Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you."

Eavesdropping from among the onlookers, I looked around. A dozen TV crews and newspaper reporters interviewing the young men everywhere"

The Guardian is casting doubts on the events as reported-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/0 ... ndon-burns

Martin Luther King had this to say on the subject of riots, long time ago-

"'When you cut facilities, slash jobs, abuse power, discriminate, drive people into deeper poverty and shoot people dead whilst refusing to provide answers or justice, the people will rise up and express their anger and frustration if you refuse to hear their cries. A riot is the language of the unheard.'

There was an interesting piece in the Daily Mail (of all places) over the weekend about 'Capitalism in Crisis' that focused on how a great number of people in the UK are being left frustrated, angry and afraid by the actions of government, financial institutions and corporate business practices and how the concerns of millions of ordinary, hardworking Britions are being repeatedly ignored and how such massive divisions in society are a disaster waiting to happen.

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stuart n wrote:
Phil_NCFC wrote:Hard line policing needs to be enforced. No other country would put up with this kind of mindless violence.


There were riots on the streets of Paris every night for 2 weeks not so long ago and they have a much harder line of policing.....


Very true but it would be nice to see the police being able to do something more than just stand there and try not to be killed by someone throwing a brick or petrol bomb.

Agree DanO, if kids are brought up to the respect authority and fear the cosequences for breaking the law alot of this wouldnt be happening.
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Kicking off in Lewisham & Hackney...

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Never seen anything like this! Looks very good for the promotion of London and the 2012 Olympics! :surrender:

Edit: *West Midlands Police have reported several incidents in the centre*
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Heard a report that one arrestee was only 11!!
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New Street in Birmingham has now been sealed off by Riot Police.

Send in the killer attack Monkeys!

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Birmingham right now... making my blood boil, stay out of town tonight lads.

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As long as there's wall to wall helicopter camera footage of just how much "fun" everyone is having, more and more moronic thugs will decide that tonight's the night to burn bins and graduate up to cars and buildings while indulging in some light looting. The media have to share some portion of the blame for all this.

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I just had to walk through Birmingham city center, luckily it was the top end by victoria square, I witnessed no trouble myself but there was a terrible atmosphere and every youth had hoods on & were in large groups which included young girls too.

Terrible scenes and good luck to the poilce in finding & bringing these mindless idiots to justice, although that'll probably mean a slap on the wrists and being told they are very naughty children
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A sorry state to put it mildly.

Playing devils advocate for a moment, but in light of this, can the cuts to the Police force be justified?

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Not one of them will know why theyre rioting and causing untold carnage, all they'll know is that "My mates doing it so I thought I would" and to get goods that they dont deserve....Maybe the Typhoons would be better suited over England then Libya!
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