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I was out working in the countryside between Wrexham and Ellesmere on Friday.

I had a farmers wife tell me one of her neighbours, who had moved in to a barn conversion, had complained about the cows mooing...

:shock: :sad:

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borismorris wrote:I was out working in the countryside between Wrexham and Ellesmere on Friday.

I had a farmers wife tell me one of her neighbours, who had moved in to a barn conversion, had complained about the cows mooing...

:shock: :sad:

Thats ok! To save the planet, we have to go vegan so all poultry, cattle, lamb and pigs will need to culled. After that, the land will be turned over to growing vegetables, so to protect that we will need to go further and kill all rabbits, butterflies and a whole lot more so we can survive!

So how do we get rid of all the dead animals? Burn them and cause more pollution? How do we get the fruit and veg here that we dont grow? Fly it? By boat? Still causes more pollution!
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The opinion of many of them is that we should go back to only eating what's produced locally.
That'll be London & the other conurbations stuffed, then, not to mention millions of people being made homeless when their new-build houses are demolished in order to return the land to agricultural use.
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I'm a veggie, but to go vegan is probably a step too far for me.
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Brevet Cable wrote:The opinion of many of them is that we should go back to only eating what's produced locally.
That'll be London & the other conurbations stuffed, then, not to mention millions of people being made homeless when their new-build houses are demolished in order to return the land to agricultural use.
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But we dont need all that land to grow vegetables and should be planting more trees! Just plant the :mad: trees will ya!
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borismorris wrote:I was out working in the countryside between Wrexham and Ellesmere on Friday.


No comment on the content of the complaint, but that's indeed a fine, fine part of the world. :up:

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Fuller's selling beer business to the Japanese. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46999208

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AlexC wrote:I'm a veggie, but to go vegan is probably a step too far for me.


Me too

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Food Banks.
Not the hard working people who give up time to run them.
Not the people who contribute to them.
Not the genuine families and people in and out of work who have to use them.

The fact that in what is meant to be one of the leading economies in the world, we need them.
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iainpeden wrote:Food Banks.
Not the hard working people who give up time to run them.
Not the people who contribute to them.
Not the genuine families and people in and out of work who have to use them.

The fact that in what is meant to be one of the leading economies in the world, we need them.


Double edged sword for me in some cases!

I see people daily who i know have used food banks on a regular basis.

What i dont understand though is how a nurse, who seem to be the ones trotted out when trying to make a political point, can get into a situation where they need to seek help from food banks. For several years i was the only earner in my house and we managed with 4 kids.
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iainpeden wrote:Food Banks.
Not the hard working people who give up time to run them.
Not the people who contribute to them.
Not the genuine families and people in and out of work who have to use them.

The fact that in what is meant to be one of the leading economies in the world, we need them.


Couldn't agree more. It's a blight on our society. All due to low wages and low benefits being paid and the increased costs of living.

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And what they don't mention is that whilst he has a habit of doing this, he also routinely approves & helps to pass PMBs raised by his friends.
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Funny that...pillock.

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Spiny Norman wrote:All due to low wages and low benefits being paid and the increased costs of living.


Low benefits? I'm often seeing programmes on the box with families getting around £25,000 in total benefits a year. Doesn't seem that low to me, and after all I am helping to pay it.
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AlexC wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:All due to low wages and low benefits being paid and the increased costs of living.


Low benefits? I'm often seeing programmes on the box with families getting around £25,000 in total benefits a year. Doesn't seem that low to me, and after all I am helping to pay it.


That's because they sentationalise the ones on the box. The reality is very different.
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I appreciate there are people in real hardship who are in desperate need of help, who would not be able to survive without food banks.

I also know that without food banks there would also be people who would need to stop spending their benefits on drink , drugs, that holiday to Ibiza, get rid of cable tv , stop going the bookies and actually buy some food with their benefits.

Once you start helping people who really need it, you will get other people helping themselves to it.
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ericbee123 wrote:I also know that without food banks there would also be people who would need to stop spending their benefits on drink , drugs, that holiday to Ibiza, get rid of cable tv , stop going the bookies and actually buy some food with their benefits.

You horrible person, you, expecting people to actually take responsibility for managing their own finances and budgeting......don't you realise they've got 'uman rites'!! :wink:
Apparently the problems with the new Universal Credit are that it's changed from being paid weekly to monthly & that the part of the benefits which used to be paid directly to landlords, etc. is now paid to the claimants instead.
Whilst most claimants are intelligent enough to use it to pay their rent, etc., the wastrels pee it up against the wall, blow it on tat, or spend it on fags/drugs/whatever.

The stupid thing is that a lot of the benefits paid are simply a sop to industry instead of forcing them to pay decent wages.
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ericbee123 wrote:I appreciate there are people in real hardship who are in desperate need of help, who would not be able to survive without food banks.

I also know that without food banks there would also be people who would need to stop spending their benefits on drink , drugs, that holiday to Ibiza, get rid of cable tv , stop going the bookies and actually buy some food with their benefits.

Once you start helping people who really need it, you will get other people helping themselves to it.


You'll find that it's very, very difficult to get benefits these days. People are being defaulted for very minor infringements. Some are challenged for having life-long illnesses that in no sane, decent society would subject them to scrutiny from a hostile government in an attempt to stop them claiming and push them to 'get a proper job'.

If you could provide stats on the percentages of those receiving benefits who are going to Ibiza, taking drugs, watching cable TV, visiting the bookies and not buying food that'd be great. Call me cynical but I think this kind of guff comes from the tabloids.

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Spiny Norman wrote:
ericbee123 wrote:I appreciate there are people in real hardship who are in desperate need of help, who would not be able to survive without food banks.

I also know that without food banks there would also be people who would need to stop spending their benefits on drink , drugs, that holiday to Ibiza, get rid of cable tv , stop going the bookies and actually buy some food with their benefits.

Once you start helping people who really need it, you will get other people helping themselves to it.


You'll find that it's very, very difficult to get benefits these days. People are being defaulted for very minor infringements. Some are challenged for having life-long illnesses that in no sane, decent society would subject them to scrutiny from a hostile government in an attempt to stop them claiming and push them to 'get a proper job'.

If you could provide stats on the percentages of those receiving benefits who are going to Ibiza, taking drugs, watching cable TV, visiting the bookies and not buying food that'd be great. Call me cynical but I think this kind of guff comes from the tabloids.


I know people on benefits, personally, who don’t worry about money whatsoever.

I was raised in a council house and went to school on a massive council estate ( biggest in the U.K. at the time ). My mother still lives in a council house and the amount of 18 and 19 plated brand new cars down her street is shocking.

My friend has a 19 plate Audi Q8 on benefits - I also have a friend who has an Audi Q8 and he owns a factory.
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ericbee123 wrote:My friend has a 19 plate Audi Q8 on benefits


A Q8 is around £70k, at least. They must have some other sort of income, because to run one living on benefits is impossible.
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ericbee123 wrote:
I know people on benefits, personally, who don’t worry about money whatsoever.


There will always be those who know how to manipulate the system, but there are many many more who have been stripped of their dignity, humiliated, even suicidal because of PIP assessments etc. Not everyone on benefits enjoys a holiday or Sky tv in every room.


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Wrexham Mackem wrote:
ericbee123 wrote:My friend has a 19 plate Audi Q8 on benefits


A Q8 is around £70k, at least. They must have some other sort of income, because to run one living on benefits is impossible.

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Even with a PCP deal you're talking about at least £600 a month. I doubt anyone on benefits has a new Q8, especially a 19 plate one :dizzy:

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