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It used to be said that in certain areas you could stick a rosette on a monkey and it'd get elected. But a dead person?

A North Dakota state legislature candidate who died from Covid-19 appears to have won his election
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/04/poli ... index.html

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CJS wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 7:35 am
So there are Republicans demanding that counting is stopped AND there are Republicans demanding that every vote is counted :dizzy:
Don't worry, Biden will bring the country together... :crazy_face:

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verreli wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 10:06 am
CJS wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 7:35 am
So there are Republicans demanding that counting is stopped AND there are Republicans demanding that every vote is counted :dizzy:
Don't worry, Biden will bring the country together... :crazy_face:
He may not bring it together but we know who split it apart....

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Once Trump has gone, we should consider that he is actually a symptom rather than a cause. The people that support him, their lack of insight, thought or analysis are still there. Happy to ignore fact and logic, happy to spread lies and "fake news" and happy to support the next snake oil salesman to come along, drapped in the Stars and Stipes, waving the bible with their own brand of dangerous nuttery.
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pbeardmore wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 11:59 am
Once Trump has gone, we should consider that he is actually a symptom rather than a cause. The people that support him, their lack of insight, thought or analysis are still there. Happy to ignore fact and logic, happy to spread lies and "fake news" and happy to support the next snake oil salesman to come along, drapped in the Stars and Stipes, waving the bible with their own brand of dangerous nuttery.
Does that not apply to both tribes?

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verreli wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 12:39 pm
pbeardmore wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 11:59 am
Once Trump has gone, we should consider that he is actually a symptom rather than a cause. The people that support him, their lack of insight, thought or analysis are still there. Happy to ignore fact and logic, happy to spread lies and "fake news" and happy to support the next snake oil salesman to come along, drapped in the Stars and Stipes, waving the bible with their own brand of dangerous nuttery.
Does that not apply to both tribes?
No
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verreli wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 12:39 pm
pbeardmore wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 11:59 am
Once Trump has gone, we should consider that he is actually a symptom rather than a cause. The people that support him, their lack of insight, thought or analysis are still there. Happy to ignore fact and logic, happy to spread lies and "fake news" and happy to support the next snake oil salesman to come along, drapped in the Stars and Stipes, waving the bible with their own brand of dangerous nuttery.
Does that not apply to both tribes?
To a certain extent I think you're right verreli, but you gotta admit it's way, way worse on the red side of that line than the blue. Not least because of the way Trump himself presents at rallies, news conferences, on Twitter and so on. If you looked at some of the stuff he has said in recent weeks objectively, vs what Biden has said, you would surely see that Trump is at best extremely divisive and at worst that he pro-actively seeks to spread conspiracy theories and fake news.

Take the claims of 'cheating', 'fraud' or whatever you want to call it over the last few days. He has quite openly accused the Democrats of this, but has also not offered a shred - not one shred - of evidence to back his claims up. Yet he knows - because he is very shrewd at things like this - that t matters not one iota that he doesn't back his claims up: his supporters will take it as gospel anyway and - for Trump - that means he's made his point.
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pbeardmore wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 11:59 am
Once Trump has gone, we should consider that he is actually a symptom rather than a cause. The people that support him, their lack of insight, thought or analysis are still there. Happy to ignore fact and logic, happy to spread lies and "fake news" and happy to support the next snake oil salesman to come along, drapped in the Stars and Stipes, waving the bible with their own brand of dangerous nuttery.
Not only that, there are actually more of them now than there were in 2016. The number of people voting for Trump this time has gone up by about 6 million.

2016 you could kind of forgive people for not knowing what they were voting for. This time.....

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Add Georgia to the list of re-counts.

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pbeardmore wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 12:43 pm
verreli wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 12:39 pm
pbeardmore wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 11:59 am
Once Trump has gone, we should consider that he is actually a symptom rather than a cause. The people that support him, their lack of insight, thought or analysis are still there. Happy to ignore fact and logic, happy to spread lies and "fake news" and happy to support the next snake oil salesman to come along, drapped in the Stars and Stipes, waving the bible with their own brand of dangerous nuttery.
Does that not apply to both tribes?
No
There's the problem. It's not unique to the USA. It was seen with Brexit and indeed anywhere with democracy and there's a choice. Just like a child in a sweet shop; do you go for the mars bar or the curly wurly?

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From the BBC:

In just a few minutes, we are expecting the Philadelphia City Commissioners to give an update on the ongoing mail-in ballot count.

Trump's lead in the swing state of Pennsylvania, which he won in 2016, has been falling as more postal votes are tallied.

Trump is currently leading by around 160,000 votes, but Philadelphia election officials say that they are now counting approximately nine Biden mail-in ballots for every Trump postal ballot.


If that last sentence is accurate, Trump could still lose Pennsylvania.
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Expect Georgia to come first. about 50k postal votes still to count. Trump ahead by about 23k and dropping.

Penn still has about 10% of votes to be counted which is around 600k votes, Biden approx 165k behind so yes, very much up for grabs

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CJS wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 1:57 pm
Trump is currently leading by around 160,000 votes, but Philadelphia election officials say that they are now counting approximately nine Biden mail-in ballots for every Trump postal ballot.[/i]
That's what I saw in Michigan too. Trump was 10,000 or so ahead then c.100,000 votes were added at a ratio of approx 9:1 and Biden was suddenly c.80,000 ahead. In an election where the ratio is 50:50 give or take, to have one side opting for one particular voting method over another by such a ratio is a very unusual stat. 60:40 maybe, but 90:10? You have to assume that somewhere like the USA would have checks and balances to prevent anything untoward but I'm not so sure.

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Trump shot himself in the foot with regard to postal votes by questioning their legitimacy months ago, ergo the majority of his supporters chose not to vote by post and went to the polling booth instead.

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This is what trump's side are so clever at. They seize on anything that suits them, spend 0 seconds checking its validity, then put it out there. By the time is started be taken down the damage is done, and there is more fuel for the ignorant masses who will believe anything that Trump, Baby Trump or any other Trump-ite vomit forth. Again, from the BBC:

One viral video, shared by the president’s son, Eric, appeared to show around 80 ballots being put into a bag, doused with a flammable liquid, and set on fire.

But officials in the city of Virginia Beach (in the state of Virginia), which is led by a Republican mayor, released a statement on election day explaining that the ballots shown in the video lacked official markings – and were merely samples.

The city said fire investigators were looking into the incident as an “illegal burning”.

Despite this, Eric Trump shared the video on Twitter, where it was liked, shared and commented on almost 100,000 times.

His post linked to an account that has since been suspended by Twitter. That user has since posted the video on his YouTube page. YouTube has yet to take action.
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verreli wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 4:06 pm
CJS wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 1:57 pm
Trump is currently leading by around 160,000 votes, but Philadelphia election officials say that they are now counting approximately nine Biden mail-in ballots for every Trump postal ballot.[/i]
That's what I saw in Michigan too. Trump was 10,000 or so ahead then c.100,000 votes were added at a ratio of approx 9:1 and Biden was suddenly c.80,000 ahead. In an election where the ratio is 50:50 give or take, to have one side opting for one particular voting method over another by such a ratio is a very unusual stat. 60:40 maybe, but 90:10? You have to assume that somewhere like the USA would have checks and balances to prevent anything untoward but I'm not so sure.
Well it's obvious. Bill Gates has used the Masters of Scion so that every time a Biden voter mails their ballot papers, a hundred copies of this paper are made in secret underground laboratories hidden under pizza outlets, and then they are infiltrated into the electoral counting centre. It's got nothing to do with Democratic voters being less likely to risk Covid-19 at a polling station and get their vote in early.

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I'd like to believe that Harris - I mean Biden has won legitimately but I'm a long way from 100% certain. :thinking:

You may be right about the Covid angle. Biden has made it a key part of his campaign, at least when he remembers to put his mask on.

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starbuck wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 4:29 pm
Trump shot himself in the foot with regard to postal votes by questioning their legitimacy months ago, ergo the majority of his supporters chose not to vote by post and went to the polling booth instead.
This was always Trump's plan. Cast doubt about the validity of postal votes, make people question their elections and institutions, threaten legal action should the result be close and mobilise his gun-toting supporters - I suspect there's more to come with that bit, should Biden be announced as the victor. He's spoken openly about what his plan has been for months, and even the day before the election.

He also appointed a postmaster general to compromise the USPS ahead of the election, and in the states like Pennsylvania that it all now hinges on, the republican leaders blocked legislation to allow them to start collating postal ballots early, hence the delay in announcing results now.

Look at the results on YouTube and you can see how long he's been trying to make it a talking point at his press conferences - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... stal+votes

Like most things he claims, there's a lot of noise, but not a lot of evidence to back any of it up.

The discrepancy is simple - one candidate told his voters the virus is a hoax and postal voting is not to be trusted, and the other held Covid-secure events, urged people to take it seriously by wearing a mask and to vote in a safe manner.
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LN Strike Eagle wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 5:15 pm
starbuck wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 4:29 pm
Trump shot himself in the foot with regard to postal votes by questioning their legitimacy months ago, ergo the majority of his supporters chose not to vote by post and went to the polling booth instead.
This was always Trump's plan. Cast doubt about the validity of postal votes, make people question their elections and institutions, threaten legal action should the result be close and mobilise his gun-toting supporters - I suspect there's more to come with that bit, should Biden be announced as the victor. He's spoken openly about what his plan has been for months, and even the day before the election.

He also appointed a postmaster general to compromise the USPS ahead of the election, and in the states like Pennsylvania that it all now hinges on, the republican leaders blocked legislation to allow them to start collating postal ballots early, hence the delay in announcing results now.

Look at the results on YouTube and you can see how long he's been trying to make it a talking point at his press conferences - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... stal+votes

Like most things he claims, there's a lot of noise, but not a lot of evidence to back any of it up.

The discrepancy is simple - one candidate told his voters the virus is a hoax and postal voting is not to be trusted, and the other held Covid-secure events, urged people to take it seriously by wearing a mask and to vote in a safe manner.
I think the thing is he knows full well that for a lot of his supporters he doesn't need to provide any evidence - they will simply believe anything he says.

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This made me chuckle - 'Plenty of proof - just check out the Media'
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The Nevada "press conference" was a joke as they had nothing to say or answer questions about apart from the usual "all Democratic postal votes are dirty whereas ours are all clean and we are gonna get the courts to prove it"

But there was a worry that it would turn into mob rule

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... thers-riot

This is the only USPE I've ever been remotely interested in and it's all because I want to see Trump decisively and democratically wiped off the political face of the Earth and all his silliness gone with him

can you imagine any of this with the UK EU referendum?

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CNN reporting Trump leading Biden by 114,000 votes in Pennsylvania with 550,000 still to be counted.

Trump's lead in PA has been shrinking - he was over 600,000 ahead 24 hours ago.

Saying that Biden 'can' win the election without Pennsylvania, but Trump cannot.
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Has a president ever been arrested for incitement to violence? He's sailing close to the wind today.

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Spiny Norman wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 4:40 pm
verreli wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 4:06 pm
CJS wrote:
Thu 05 Nov 2020, 1:57 pm
Trump is currently leading by around 160,000 votes, but Philadelphia election officials say that they are now counting approximately nine Biden mail-in ballots for every Trump postal ballot.[/i]
That's what I saw in Michigan too. Trump was 10,000 or so ahead then c.100,000 votes were added at a ratio of approx 9:1 and Biden was suddenly c.80,000 ahead. In an election where the ratio is 50:50 give or take, to have one side opting for one particular voting method over another by such a ratio is a very unusual stat. 60:40 maybe, but 90:10? You have to assume that somewhere like the USA would have checks and balances to prevent anything untoward but I'm not so sure.
Well it's obvious. Bill Gates has used the Masters of Scion so that every time a Biden voter mails their ballot papers, a hundred copies of this paper are made in secret underground laboratories hidden under pizza outlets, and then they are infiltrated into the electoral counting centre. It's got nothing to do with Democratic voters being less likely to risk Covid-19 at a polling station and get their vote in early.
At last, someone has the guts to say it. And the US Postal Service are x-raying all postal votes and removing all those for Trump. They’re all being taken away and stored in a secret underground bunker in Nevada. It’s true - my mate’s brother who emigrated to the States last month is the cleaner there and said there’s millions of envelopes.
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