Presidential Election 2020

[Spiny Norman]

Biden’s speech is absolutely excellent. Light years ahead of any syllable Trump has ever uttered or will ever utter.

A triumph of hope, decency, love, kindness, and respect.

You love to see it.

Was there anything about sniffing teenage girls hair or inappropriately touching a six year old girl multiple times?

The videos don't lie.

Yes, he talked about nothing else. Devoted the whole speech to it.

#pathetic

[Reds Rolling]

Oh we're only allowed to criticize a President when it's Trump then?

That really would be #pathetic

Biden’s speech is absolutely excellent. Light years ahead of any syllable Trump has ever uttered or will ever utter.

A triumph of hope, decency, love, kindness, and respect.

You love to see it.

Was there anything about sniffing teenage girls hair or inappropriately touching a six year old girl multiple times?

The videos don't lie.

Yes, he talked about nothing else. Devoted the whole speech to it.

#pathetic

Oh we're only allowed to criticise a President when it's Trump then?

Because that really would be #pathetic .

[iainpeden]

Was there anything about sniffing teenage girls hair or inappropriately touching a six year old girl multiple times?

The videos don't lie.
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I haven’t got a clue what you are talking about but you appear to have accused Biden of being an abuser on a public forum. At best, if not proved, libellous.

[Spiny Norman]

Oh we're only allowed to criticize a President when it's Trump then?

That really would be #pathetic

Biden’s speech is absolutely excellent. Light years ahead of any syllable Trump has ever uttered or will ever utter.

A triumph of hope, decency, love, kindness, and respect.

You love to see it.

Was there anything about sniffing teenage girls hair or inappropriately touching a six year old girl multiple times?

The videos don't lie.

Yes, he talked about nothing else. Devoted the whole speech to it.

#pathetic

Oh we're only allowed to criticise a President when it's Trump then?

Because that really would be #pathetic .

No, you're right. We should be fair.

All the assault allegations against Donald Trump, recapped
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a ... p-recapped

[AFKAMC]

I guess we can all laugh about it, now that they've taken the launch codes off him.

To that end, I note that the the US Navy has a habit of naming its aircraft carriers after former Presidents, and that each carrier also acquires a nickname. So:

USS Dwight D. Eisenhower = Ike
USS Theodore Roosevelt = Big Stick
USS Ronald Reagan = Gipper
USS George H.W. Bush = Avenger
USS Donald J. Trump = ?????

Answers on a postcard, please; try to keep 'em clean.

[Reds Rolling]

Was there anything about sniffing teenage girls hair or inappropriately touching a six year old girl multiple times?

The videos don't lie.

I haven’t got a clue what you are talking about but you appear to have accused Biden of being an abuser on a public forum. At best, if not proved, libellous.
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There's pictures and video out there of him doing it. Very creepy.

Why some are fawning all over him I just cannot fathom; it's just like when Obama was elected.
He's a politician, so lying, cheating and narcissistic behaviour are no doubt ingrained into his very being. Be cautious!

[iainpeden]

Let us know when the feds come calling.

Having worked with somebody falsely accused and cleared, but whose career was destroyed you can’t make dubious accusations.

[Reds Rolling]

Oh we're only allowed to criticize a President when it's Trump then?

That really would be #pathetic

Biden’s speech is absolutely excellent. Light years ahead of any syllable Trump has ever uttered or will ever utter.

A triumph of hope, decency, love, kindness, and respect.

You love to see it.

Was there anything about sniffing teenage girls hair or inappropriately touching a six year old girl multiple times?

The videos don't lie.

Yes, he talked about nothing else. Devoted the whole speech to it.

#pathetic

Oh we're only allowed to criticise a President when it's Trump then?

Because that really would be #pathetic .

No, you're right. We should be fair.

All the assault allegations against Donald Trump, recapped
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a ... p-recapped

Yes exactly.

Trump was tarred with allegations of inappropriate behaviour, so Biden should be treated in the same manner.

[Reds Rolling]

Let us know when the feds come calling.

Having worked with somebody falsely accused and cleared, but whose career was destroyed you can’t make dubious accusations.

Jesus Christ! Someone you worked with is in an entirely different situation to POTUS.

The Biden stories and video have been doing the rounds for ages, it's not just something I made up on a whim!

'Feds come calling'

[starbuck]

I guess we can all laugh about it, now that they've taken the launch codes off him.

To that end, I note that the the US Navy has a habit of naming its aircraft carriers after former Presidents, and that each carrier also acquires a nickname. So:

USS Dwight D. Eisenhower = Ike
USS Theodore Roosevelt = Big Stick
USS Ronald Reagan = Gipper
USS George H.W. Bush = Avenger
USS Donald J. Trump = ?????

Answers on a postcard, please; try to keep 'em clean.

Golden Shower.

[Tommy]

Biden is accused of it. Trump confessed. So there is a difference.

But I’d like to see Biden accountable for that. I want to see those accusations heard and for evidence and a finding of guilt or innocence to be made. It may be that he’s not guilty. It may be that he is, in which case he needs to be removed from office.

*but* at the same time, Trump has sort of set the precedent, hasnt he. He confessed to sexual assault. He admitted to doing it. No trial was necessary, yet not only did that not stop his four years, but also it didn’t stop voters from voting for him in huge numbers - twice.

Understand that Biden is, say, in pre-2016 era, not particularly enamourable. I wouldn’t have rated him much. But that just shows how far the world has slipped with Trump in power.

But yeah, at the same time - Biden needs to face those allegations and it’s quite depressing that they aren’t talked about.

But none of that negates what happened today.

[Tommy]

Oh we're only allowed to criticize a President when it's Trump then?

That really would be #pathetic

Biden’s speech is absolutely excellent. Light years ahead of any syllable Trump has ever uttered or will ever utter.

A triumph of hope, decency, love, kindness, and respect.

You love to see it.

Was there anything about sniffing teenage girls hair or inappropriately touching a six year old girl multiple times?

The videos don't lie.

Yes, he talked about nothing else. Devoted the whole speech to it.

#pathetic

Oh we're only allowed to criticise a President when it's Trump then?

Because that really would be #pathetic .

No, you're right. We should be fair.

All the assault allegations against Donald Trump, recapped
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a ... p-recapped

Yes exactly.

Trump was tarred with allegations of inappropriate behaviour, so Biden should be treated in the same manner.

Well “treated in the same manner” is no one doing a damn thing.

But Trump wasn’t “tarred with allegations” - he confessed to it. He literally said that he did it, so they aren’t the same.

[starbuck]

He didn't even confess. He gloated.

[Tommy]

Well, quite.

As far as I know there’s only one actual “sexual” allegation against him. There are several more “inappropriate invasions of space” but none that the women involved say “was of a sexual nature”.

I’d like for the allegations to have their day in court, but they’re quite different to Trump.

[Tomahawk]

Great now we have a QANON conspiracy theorist to go with the other idiot.

[IATthenRIAT]

Great now we have a QANON conspiracy theorist to go with the other idiot.

Who are you referring to?

[Tommy]

This seems, to me, absolutely mad.



Imagine three jurors getting to meet with an accused’s lawyers during a the middle of a criminal trial.

[starbuck]

It's bonkers. But even more bonkers to me is that the fact that these 3 career politicians are still wanting to associate themselves with him. What do they think the end game is??

Perfect opportunity to cut him loose being handed to them on a plate and yet the GOP still can't shut the door on him.

I get it that they are looking at the 72million that voted for him but you can cut the umbilical cord from the voters to the clown they voted for if you want to. Plus you have 4 years to do it.

[roger]

It's bonkers. But even more bonkers to me is that the fact that these 3 career politicians are still wanting to associate themselves with him. What do they think the end game is??

Perfect opportunity to cut him loose being handed to them on a plate and yet the GOP still can't shut the door on him.

I get it that they are looking at the 72million that voted for him but you can cut the umbilical cord from the voters to the clown they voted for if you want to. Plus you have 4 years to do it.

Many of the 72M will be staunch Republicans who will vote for who-ever the GOP puts up next time.

[FarnboroJohn]

It's bonkers. But even more bonkers to me is that the fact that these 3 career politicians are still wanting to associate themselves with him. What do they think the end game is??

Perfect opportunity to cut him loose being handed to them on a plate and yet the GOP still can't shut the door on him.

I get it that they are looking at the 72million that voted for him but you can cut the umbilical cord from the voters to the clown they voted for if you want to. Plus you have 4 years to do it.

Many of the 72M will be staunch Republicans who will vote for who-ever the GOP puts up next time.

In which case these guys lose nothing by putting Trump out of the game now, and stand to gain something from the uncommitted!

[starbuck]

It's bonkers. But even more bonkers to me is that the fact that these 3 career politicians are still wanting to associate themselves with him. What do they think the end game is??

Perfect opportunity to cut him loose being handed to them on a plate and yet the GOP still can't shut the door on him.

I get it that they are looking at the 72million that voted for him but you can cut the umbilical cord from the voters to the clown they voted for if you want to. Plus you have 4 years to do it.

Many of the 72M will be staunch Republicans who will vote for who-ever the GOP puts up next time.

Fair point but going by the last 3 Republican candidates before Trump (Romney, McCain and Bush jnr) none of them got over 62million votes so there is a definite Trump effect. Put it into context Trump got nearly 50% more votes in 2020 than Bush junior got in 2000 (73.5m / 50m)

[roger]

It's bonkers. But even more bonkers to me is that the fact that these 3 career politicians are still wanting to associate themselves with him. What do they think the end game is??

Perfect opportunity to cut him loose being handed to them on a plate and yet the GOP still can't shut the door on him.

I get it that they are looking at the 72million that voted for him but you can cut the umbilical cord from the voters to the clown they voted for if you want to. Plus you have 4 years to do it.

Many of the 72M will be staunch Republicans who will vote for who-ever the GOP puts up next time.

Fair point but going by the last 3 Republican candidates before Trump (Romney, McCain and Bush jnr) none of them got over 62million votes so there is a definite Trump effect. Put it into context Trump got nearly 50% more votes in 2020 than Bush junior got in 2000 (73.5m / 50m)

I have no doubt there is a Trump effect (sadly).

US election turnout is only around 67%, so every time there are an awful lot of potential voters (~100M in 2020) who are either not registered to vote, or don't like any candidate, or don't care who wins. That's more than either candidate got! (We could say pretty much the same thing here each election, of course).

[Tommy]

Little simplistic figure - population growth needs to be taken into account, too. Plus voter motivations.

It may have just been an “effect” because it’s so hyped up by the media.

I’ve zero doubt in my mind that against a less controversial candidate like Romney, Biden would have received fewer votes. Whether he still would have been elected is harder to tell.

Many many people voted for Biden because he “isn’t Trump” and those were the only two options.

Likewise, many voted for Trump twice simply because “he isn’t Biden [or Hilary in 2016]”.

Some parts of the media have spent years shouting about how the “radical socialist left” want to turn America into Venezuela or the USSR. Absolutely patently nonsense, but I daresay that narrative probably turned a lot of people to Trump as the only person, unsavoury as he may be, to representing what they consider more sensible traditional values.

Whereas Biden voters probably looked a racist, incompetent lazy fat buffoon, arrogant and small-minded, an ego more fragile than a Ming vase, and his awful handling of COVID-19 and thought “I’m voting for anyone but him!”

The same over here with Corbyn, and the way he’s been demonised (not wholly unfairly, I add) by the Mail and Sun and the like. Like he was going to turn this entire country into some sort of hippy socialist commune. I don’t for a second think that many Tory voters voted *for* Johnson. He just happened to be the PM of the party they usually vote for. I think many Tory voters were more motivated to keep Corbyn out, rather than elect Johnson in. And likewise, many Corbyn voters, too.

[verreli]

Trump acquitted. Clears the path for a run in 2024. Four more years?

[Tommy]

Well, when that time comes, I’ll anticipate your criticism of him due to his age, I’ll wait for you to start a, frankly pretty gross, poll on how long he survives and question whether or not he’ll make it to the end of his presidency.

As I’ve said often - America very much a third world country.