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Re: President Trump

Postby Dan O'Hagan on Sat 27 Apr 2019, 2:33 pm

Burleysway wrote:Here's something else to mull over. Via Telegraph

Dictators, despots and despicable groups: How Corbyn has broken bread with far more controversial figures than President Trump.

Jeremy Corbyn once wrote that he enjoyed “a takeaway dinner”with Hamas chief Khaled Mahal - and yet he is unwilling to dine with the Queen and President Trump at Buckingham Palace.
His decision to snub a state banquet with the so-called leader of the free world is undoubtedly designed to kowtow to his anti-Trump Corbynista fanbase as much as a reflection of his virulent opposition to US foreign policy. Arguing it would be wrong to "roll out the red carpet" for the US president, whom he accused of using "racist and misogynist rhetoric", the Labour leader said the US-UK relationship did not need "the pomp and ceremony" of June's state visit.

Yet the virtue-signalling boycott appears even more politically cynical in light of Corbyn’s willingness to meet a string of controversial figures in the past.
He happily donned white tie to attend a state banquet in honour of Chinese President Xi Jinping shortly after becoming Labour leader in 2015 - despite concerns about the Communist country’s human rights abuses. And in 2009, he accepted a free trip funded by controversial Palestinian lobbyists to meet President Assad in Syria. Corbyn responded to the trip by writing in The Morning Star that he had been exposed to evidence that ‘the Israeli tail wags the US dog’.

In another journalistic foray in the left-wing newspaper, the avowed socialist boasted of his “long meeting” with Mashal in 2010. A Labour spokesman was later unable to explain how Corbyn had met the Hamas chief in the bombed out wreck of Gaza’ parliament building when Mashal was still in exile from the city - and did not return until 2012.
It was not the first time the veteran MP for Islington North appeared on the wrong side of foreign affairs. Twelve days after the Brighton bombing, Corbyn invited two convicted IRA terrorists, Linda Quigley and Gerard McLoughlin to the Commons. The 1984 attempt to assassinate Margaret Thatcher killed five people and injured dozens more. Odd then, that Corbyn should have found the presence of his former Labour colleague Chuka Umunna at a recent Brexit meeting so offensive, he stormed out, having initially refused to engage with Theresa May either.

Having described Hamas and Hezbollah as ‘friends’, Corbyn appeared much more willing to meet leaders of both groups than the Change UK MP, despite them being proscribed as terrorist organisations by the US Department of State. In a speech to the Stop the War Coalition in 2009, he declared: “It will be my pleasure and my honour to host an event in parliament where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking…I’ve also invited friends from Hamas”.

Another ‘friend’ is Russian president Vladimir Putin, who Corbyn has chosen to defend on a number of occasions, including after the Salisbury poisoning.
In March last year, he appeared to misjudge the public mood by calling for Russia to take a test sample of the chemicals found in the cathedral city “to reveal the identity of its perpetrators”.

It came after he defended Putin’s actions in Ukraine, saying his “crime is to dare resist this US Empire, taking a stand against the hypocrisy, double standards, and complete lack of respect for other countries, cultures, and values it represents.”
And let’s not forget that Corbyn has also happily sat down in front of the camera for a series of interviews for the state owned Iranian broadcaster Press TV, earning £20,000 in the process. The channel has been banned by Ofcom and regularly hosts Holocaust deniers. They were fined £100,000 in 2011 after conducting an interview with an imprisoned Newsweek journalist that was under duress.

And of course there was that celebratory phonecall to Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro when he took power in 2014, which came after Corbyn had written his predecessor Hugo Chavez a warm obituary in 2013 and followed praise for Cuban leader Fidel Castro’s “achievements”, describing him as a “champion of social justice”,.
Appearing once again to have been on the wrong side of Anglo-American relations following 9/11, Corbyn said: “What goes around comes around”. Then, in 2015 he described the assassination of Osama bin Laden as a ‘tragedy’ comparable to the attack on the Twin Towers. With views like this, perhaps it will be Trump thanking his lucky stars that he won’t be breaking bread with the leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition.


If memory serves, you were removed from a position within the Vulcan operation for some pretty noxious online views on race which were deemed highly inappropriate.

Sad to see you didn’t learn your lesson, and are now vocally supporting and advocating the closest thing to a Nazi leader the western world has seen since 1945.

Which part of Trump’s wall-building, child-separating, disabled-impersonating, dictator-appeasing, Putin-fellating and Russia-colluding appeals to you most?
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Re: President Trump

Postby CJS on Sat 27 Apr 2019, 4:08 pm

Putin-fellating? :sick:

I don't recall that particular claim...

Look, the man's clearly a disgrace on many levels, and I have zero support for him, but quite a lot of (seriously misguided) people don't agree.
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Re: President Trump

Postby capercaillie on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 12:22 pm

Brevet Cable wrote:Why not build walls....it's traditional.
So why shouldn't Trump build a wall - downgraded to a fence - to keep the South Americans out.


Just on a technicality, aren't they North and Central Americans he is trying to keep out? :question:

On a separate but more positive note, yes he is an orange arse, but think of all the good kit that comes over to photograph! :shock:
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Re: President Trump

Postby CJS on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 2:15 pm

capercaillie wrote:
Brevet Cable wrote:Why not build walls....it's traditional.
So why shouldn't Trump build a wall - downgraded to a fence - to keep the South Americans out.


Just on a technicality, aren't they North and Central Americans he is trying to keep out? :question:

On a separate but more positive note, yes he is an orange arse, but think of all the good kit that comes over to photograph! :shock:


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Re: President Trump

Postby capercaillie on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 2:59 pm

CJS wrote:
capercaillie wrote:
Brevet Cable wrote:Why not build walls....it's traditional.
So why shouldn't Trump build a wall - downgraded to a fence - to keep the South Americans out.


Just on a technicality, aren't they North and Central Americans he is trying to keep out? :question:

On a separate but more positive note, yes he is an orange arse, but think of all the good kit that comes over to photograph! :shock:


It's only a 747 with a few extra aerials innit?


You think that's all that comes? :snack:
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Re: President Trump

Postby CJS on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 6:28 pm

True, I forgot about the FLOTUS...
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Re: President Trump

Postby effects on Mon 06 May 2019, 8:17 pm

Dan O'Hagan wrote:
Burleysway wrote:Here's something else to mull over. Via Telegraph

Dictators, despots and despicable groups: How Corbyn has broken bread with far more controversial figures than President Trump.

Jeremy Corbyn once wrote that he enjoyed “a takeaway dinner”with Hamas chief Khaled Mahal - and yet he is unwilling to dine with the Queen and President Trump at Buckingham Palace.
His decision to snub a state banquet with the so-called leader of the free world is undoubtedly designed to kowtow to his anti-Trump Corbynista fanbase as much as a reflection of his virulent opposition to US foreign policy. Arguing it would be wrong to "roll out the red carpet" for the US president, whom he accused of using "racist and misogynist rhetoric", the Labour leader said the US-UK relationship did not need "the pomp and ceremony" of June's state visit.

Yet the virtue-signalling boycott appears even more politically cynical in light of Corbyn’s willingness to meet a string of controversial figures in the past.
He happily donned white tie to attend a state banquet in honour of Chinese President Xi Jinping shortly after becoming Labour leader in 2015 - despite concerns about the Communist country’s human rights abuses. And in 2009, he accepted a free trip funded by controversial Palestinian lobbyists to meet President Assad in Syria. Corbyn responded to the trip by writing in The Morning Star that he had been exposed to evidence that ‘the Israeli tail wags the US dog’.

In another journalistic foray in the left-wing newspaper, the avowed socialist boasted of his “long meeting” with Mashal in 2010. A Labour spokesman was later unable to explain how Corbyn had met the Hamas chief in the bombed out wreck of Gaza’ parliament building when Mashal was still in exile from the city - and did not return until 2012.
It was not the first time the veteran MP for Islington North appeared on the wrong side of foreign affairs. Twelve days after the Brighton bombing, Corbyn invited two convicted IRA terrorists, Linda Quigley and Gerard McLoughlin to the Commons. The 1984 attempt to assassinate Margaret Thatcher killed five people and injured dozens more. Odd then, that Corbyn should have found the presence of his former Labour colleague Chuka Umunna at a recent Brexit meeting so offensive, he stormed out, having initially refused to engage with Theresa May either.

Having described Hamas and Hezbollah as ‘friends’, Corbyn appeared much more willing to meet leaders of both groups than the Change UK MP, despite them being proscribed as terrorist organisations by the US Department of State. In a speech to the Stop the War Coalition in 2009, he declared: “It will be my pleasure and my honour to host an event in parliament where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking…I’ve also invited friends from Hamas”.

Another ‘friend’ is Russian president Vladimir Putin, who Corbyn has chosen to defend on a number of occasions, including after the Salisbury poisoning.
In March last year, he appeared to misjudge the public mood by calling for Russia to take a test sample of the chemicals found in the cathedral city “to reveal the identity of its perpetrators”.

It came after he defended Putin’s actions in Ukraine, saying his “crime is to dare resist this US Empire, taking a stand against the hypocrisy, double standards, and complete lack of respect for other countries, cultures, and values it represents.”
And let’s not forget that Corbyn has also happily sat down in front of the camera for a series of interviews for the state owned Iranian broadcaster Press TV, earning £20,000 in the process. The channel has been banned by Ofcom and regularly hosts Holocaust deniers. They were fined £100,000 in 2011 after conducting an interview with an imprisoned Newsweek journalist that was under duress.

And of course there was that celebratory phonecall to Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro when he took power in 2014, which came after Corbyn had written his predecessor Hugo Chavez a warm obituary in 2013 and followed praise for Cuban leader Fidel Castro’s “achievements”, describing him as a “champion of social justice”,.
Appearing once again to have been on the wrong side of Anglo-American relations following 9/11, Corbyn said: “What goes around comes around”. Then, in 2015 he described the assassination of Osama bin Laden as a ‘tragedy’ comparable to the attack on the Twin Towers. With views like this, perhaps it will be Trump thanking his lucky stars that he won’t be breaking bread with the leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition.


If memory serves, you were removed from a position within the Vulcan operation for some pretty noxious online views on race which were deemed highly inappropriate.

Sad to see you didn’t learn your lesson, and are now vocally supporting and advocating the closest thing to a Nazi leader the western world has seen since 1945.

Which part of Trump’s wall-building, child-separating, disabled-impersonating, dictator-appeasing, Putin-fellating and Russia-colluding appeals to you most?

Just a small point but 'child separation' was in full swing on Saint Obama's watch.
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Re: President Trump

Postby pbeardmore on Tue 07 May 2019, 1:10 pm

The good thing about Trump is what you see is waht you get. He's not clever or subtle enough to hide beneath a veneer of cleverness. He's an idiot and the whole World can see that. So there's not really much to debate there.

IMHO, the much more interesting conversation relates to the voters. He is still getting approval ratings in the 40% range. It's that that I personally find truely shocking. 40%! what king of person can give Trump an approval ? It's just remarkable

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this is intereresting ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az1JyDJ_iKU

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Re: President Trump

Postby DerekF on Tue 07 May 2019, 2:11 pm

effects wrote: Just a small point but 'child separation' was in full swing on Saint Obama's watch.


No it wasn't.

https://www.apnews.com/91e9489c7f434099a987bed7defd3f1d
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Re: President Trump

Postby Spiny Norman on Tue 07 May 2019, 2:23 pm

effects wrote:Just a small point but 'child separation' was in full swing on Saint Obama's watch.


Except it wasn't. It's a big point. It was not official policy, which it was under Trump. He's a bare-faced liar.

Here's some links:-

CBS
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-blames-obama-for-child-separation-policy-claim-review/

New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/us/politics/fact-check-family-separation-obama.html

NPR
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/09/711446917/fact-check-trump-wrongly-states-obama-administration-had-child-separation-policy
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Re: President Trump

Postby CJS on Tue 07 May 2019, 2:55 pm

Spiny Norman wrote:
effects wrote:Just a small point but 'child separation' was in full swing on Saint Obama's watch.


Except it wasn't. It's a big point. It was not official policy, which it was under Trump. He's an orange-faced liar.

Here's some links:-

CBS
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-blames-obama-for-child-separation-policy-claim-review/

New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/us/politics/fact-check-family-separation-obama.html

NPR
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/09/711446917/fact-check-trump-wrongly-states-obama-administration-had-child-separation-policy


Just tweaked that for you. :up:

Seriously, the man's an absolute joke. He's been lying since day 1:

"There were as many people at my inauguration as there were at Obama's."

Of course there were dear, of course there were... :clown: :down:
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Re: President Trump

Postby Dan O'Hagan on Tue 07 May 2019, 3:20 pm

Interesting how the same voices on UKAR who are pro-Brexit are also pro-Trump, the closest thing to an actual Nazi leader the west has had since 1945.

Almost as if, I don’t know, Brexit and Trump appeal to the same, low-browed, racist demographic.
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Re: President Trump

Postby pbeardmore on Tue 07 May 2019, 4:18 pm

Yeah, interesting, same voices, flippin gammon Trump lovers, all the same
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Re: President Trump

Postby disgruntled on Tue 07 May 2019, 5:35 pm

Racism, in all its forms, is abhorrent. It is devisive and damaging. However, the casual labelling of individuals as racist with no basis other than they have a different view on one specific aspect of politics is equally dangerous and has no place in decent society.
The basis of any “ism” is intolerance of another’s view or opinion. There exists in this forum one individual who continually posts devisive, bullying and inflammatory comments with very little grounds other than it doesn’t match his sense of ego and who is completely intolerant of anyone who doesn’t adhere to his set of rules.
Bullying, like every “ism” is abhorrent, devisive and damaging and yet the moderators on here continually turn a blind eye to this individual’s behaviour.

Isn’t it time that a stand was taken against all intolerance and to show bullies the door?
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Re: President Trump

Postby pbeardmore on Tue 07 May 2019, 5:57 pm

very good point. Hard to know what to do with bullies under such circumstances. If you "show them the door" , they can play the victim card. My own preference is to pull their philosophy of "isms" and insults to pieces in as entertaining and ironic way was possible. It's also far more entertaining and does not undermine an overarching wish for free speech.

But we digress.
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Re: President Trump

Postby effects on Wed 08 May 2019, 11:59 am

Spiny Norman wrote:
effects wrote:Just a small point but 'child separation' was in full swing on Saint Obama's watch.


Except it wasn't. It's a big point. It was not official policy, which it was under Trump. He's a bare-faced liar.

Here's some links:-

CBS
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-blames-obama-for-child-separation-policy-claim-review/

New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/us/politics/fact-check-family-separation-obama.html

NPR
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/09/711446917/fact-check-trump-wrongly-states-obama-administration-had-child-separation-policy

Thanks for that info, apologies for the incorrect assertion.
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Re: President Trump

Postby Airshowhammer on Wed 08 May 2019, 12:34 pm

Dan O'Hagan wrote:Interesting how the same voices on UKAR who are pro-Brexit are also pro-Trump, the closest thing to an actual Nazi leader the west has had since 1945.

Almost as if, I don’t know, Brexit and Trump appeal to the same, low-browed, racist demographic.



Get a grip. You're so easily offended its a joke. Everything you don't agree with is 'Racist or Nazi'. Such a closed-minded, unbearable individual, I could name 5 leaders worse than him on one hand one starting with Kim...

And no I don't agree with everything Trump stands for, as I think most of the time he's a prat.
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Re: President Trump

Postby Spiny Norman on Tue 16 Jul 2019, 7:31 am

Turns out Trump is a racist. Who knew?!
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Re: President Trump

Postby Tommy on Tue 16 Jul 2019, 7:48 am

Indeed. The most obvious reveal in the entire world reveals itself.

I’m pretty strong in my conviction that I now think less of anyone who supports him, even remotely.

It’s there in black and white. People can’t spin it into “what he really meant was...”. There’s no way of reading that wording without concluding that he is a racist. And to be perfectly honest, contrary to how I like to consider the opinions of all others (even on Brexit!), I’m not interested in hearing opinions or respecting the point of view of anyone who reads those racist tweets and continues to support him or anything about him.

He’s a disgusting, disgusting man, and categorically a racist, pervert, sex pest man-baby. As sure as the sun rises in the east, he’ s those things. And damn to hell anyone who seeks to normalise that or think it’s ok.

To think that we, a strong nation like ours, gifted that turbo-chump a state visit is rancid.
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Re: President Trump

Postby toom317 on Tue 16 Jul 2019, 8:55 am

The sad thing is, this moron will get re-elected.
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Re: President Trump

Postby MiG_Eater on Tue 16 Jul 2019, 9:27 am

The thing is - I really really disagree with the 'go back home' thing. But that doesn't mean it is impossible (or wrong) for me to agree with Trump's administration on some other things.

The idea of splitting people and political ideas into good and evil is really only another way of playing into this divide and conquer style of politics.

One of my favourite quotes is by William Blake and is related to this:

"He who would do good to another must do it in Minute Particulars: general Good is the plea of the scoundrel, hypocrite, and flatterer, for Art and Science cannot exist but in minutely organised Particulars."

And if you take the opposite - it is also true. General evil is a plea of the scoundrel. Let's deal in the minute particulars. (And let me reiterate that this minute particular is totally wrong.)
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Re: President Trump

Postby pbeardmore on Tue 16 Jul 2019, 9:28 am

The USA is a strange beast. Watching the Apollo 11 movie, you are in awe of the people that put the whole project together. Possibly, the species greatest acheivement (or one of them) with remarkable bravary, intellect, research, teamwork, vision etc etc

And yet, within the same country, is a large chunk of the population who are racist, ignorant, dumb, poorly educated, close minded etc etc. The value of enlightenment and education has seemingly been lost in vast areas with society and mass culture dumbed down to such a degree that a utter, utter moron has been elected as their leader.

I watched Black Klansman last night, great movie IMHO but the end is sad, very sad.

Check out this speech and compare it to Trump's childish tweets. Where did it all go wrong?

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Re: President Trump

Postby rockfordstone on Tue 16 Jul 2019, 9:49 am

pbeardmore wrote:And yet, within the same country, is a large chunk of the population who are racist, ignorant, dumb, poorly educated, close minded etc etc. The value of enlightenment and education has seemingly been lost in vast areas with society and mass culture dumbed down to such a degree that a utter, utter moron has been elected as their leader.

this is the issue with a lot of countries and is the vehicle by which dictatorial or evil regimes have historically got themselves into power.

convince the stupid and easily led that they are hard done by and that you will give them everything and they will follow you without question. you then get some people who "don't agree with all of their views, but some of the things they have done are ok" and those who look the other way give the regime legitimacy. you then end up with the group of people who see it for what it is who become "enemies of the people", "traitors" etc.

i have always felt that history is doomed to repeat itself when the people who witnessed evils are no longer there to prevent it from happening, and whilst i'm not gonna yell nazi at Trump, it's difficult to not see the parallels between the current US political forces (and more increasingly ours) and 1930s germany.

i will now get accused of being over dramatic, or some such like and i hope those people are correct. but it's easy to overlook the small changes until you are in a world where parliaments are being shut down because they don't support the agenda, media is censored because it exposes the truth and people being ejected from their post because they do not follow blindly.

hopefully we have learnt enough that Trump will be a blip in the context of history. the alternative is he is just the start of a process that puts us back right where we started.
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Re: President Trump

Postby pbeardmore on Tue 16 Jul 2019, 10:01 am

I think possibly the bright side is that Trump is too stupid to be a dictator. I dont see any great political insight, no great personal history/connection to a political philosophy and no great time spend reading classic political texts. He certainly can't inspire the masses with great speeches and he can't produce great allegiance witin his team (just look at the staff turnover) . He is there IMHO mainly for personal reasons. If he could gain power and money being a liberal, then he would.
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Re: President Trump

Postby rockfordstone on Tue 16 Jul 2019, 10:12 am

pbeardmore wrote:I think possibly the bright side is that Trump is too stupid to be a dictator. I dont see any great political insight, no great personal history/connection to a political philosophy and no great time spend reading classic political texts. He certainly can't inspire the masses with great speeches and he can't produce great allegiance witin his team (just look at the staff turnover) . He is there IMHO mainly for personal reasons. If he could gain power and money being a liberal, then he would.

true, and ultimately he only has another term at most. the concern is that after having built a base, it's set up for someone who is clever enough rides in on the wave that trump created. you can't fix stupid, and when the stupid are given the massive platform it has been then it's difficult to put it back in the barn
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