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I get the impression you think I'm a tad Shallow Sir.

Your comments on here over the years make it clear that you are a true-blue dyed-in-the-wool Conservative who rubbishes anything any other political party ( and Labour in particular ) does.
Your most recent post confirms this.

I do note that you didn't actually answer my question, though.
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Brevet Cable wrote:
I get the impression you think I'm a tad Shallow Sir.

Your comments on here over the years make it clear that you are a true-blue dyed-in-the-wool Conservative who rubbishes anything any other political party ( and Labour in particular ) does.
Your most recent post confirms this.

I do note that you didn't actually answer my question, though.

I thought I had answered your question about Corbyn and his brand of brexiteering. I wouldn't support a Corbyn Government whether he was taking us out of the EU or not. There's far more to take into consideration, where do you start, which of the Terrorist Groups which Corbyn and his ilk have allied themselves to over the years? And your right Brevet, ever since I've been able to associate the colours of the political parties correctly I've always failed to be impressed with the 'appen Labour 'll do summit to 'elp poor folk like us? No they won't, if its any use to you I'm not quite the true blue tory you've assessed me to be either. I have no allegiances but if there is one party that stands out as particularly disgracefully indifferent toward the greater national good its that shower of pink slurry.

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Labour, Conservative, Liberal/Lib Dem.....they're all much of a muchness, always have been & probably always will be.
They've all screwed up the Country, the economy, the Armed Forces & the population to various degrees over the years, just as most have done some good ( again, to various degrees ) whilst in office.
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Brevet Cable wrote:Labour, Conservative, Liberal/Lib Dem.....they're all much of a muchness, always have been & probably always will be.
They've all screwed up the Country, the economy, the Armed Forces & the population to various degrees over the years, just as most have done some good ( again, to various degrees ) whilst in office.


Absolutely!

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That's why the stupidest thing they did post-referendum was to play it along Party lines, despite the fact that the Conservatives included a large number of pro-Remain MPs & Labour a fair number of pro-Leave ones.
If they'd separated Brexit from Parliamentary Party politics or made it a proper all-Party affair it would probably have all been sorted with a satisfactory deal in about half the time the current ongoing shambles has taken.

As for 'Let it happen then pick up the pieces afterwards' ( as per 'zoom' & other previous posters suggestion ) the problem is that as soon as we leave we lose every rebate & opt-out we've currently got - if we then want to rejoin, we'd have to join on the same terms as new members.

The one thing which seems to have been overlooked ( or deliberately ignored ) by PMBJ & others is that the current members of the European Commission won't be there for much longer....Junker's being replaced by Ursula von der Leyen & Tusk by Charles Michel, for starters.
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I would say that words fail me.....they don't though, it's more a case that if I did post what I think I'd get bannedfor excessive breaches of Rules 4 & 5. :mad:

Why?
This : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632
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[tweet]http://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/1166624168680538114[/tweet]

I can’t wait for brexiteers who have spent three years frothing about “democracy” to decry the above action in the strongest possible form so that i can finally agree with them on something.

Outrageous. Take whatever rancidity May had and multiply it.

Imagine, *imagine* if the EU Parliament was shut down for the leader to push through their own personal agenda that never even got a mandate in the first place.

And imagine the further outrage at the European Parliament rejecting precisely the measure that is now being pushed through just six months ago.

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BBC saying 'Mid September', Sky being more specific & saying 9th September.
Surprised scumbag BoJo's missing a trick by not doing it on 3rd September.

Let's see how many Conservative MPs have got the balls to stick by their convictions and resign in protest ... and I don't mean just stand-down as front-benchers, I mean resign from the Conservative Party.
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Very dark times for British democracy.

They didn't suspend Parliament during the fall of France, Dunkirk, Battle of Britain, the Blitz.

Absolutely disgraceful act from a man who is unfit for the office of Prime Minister.

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Just when you think it can't get any worse, it gets worse. Please somebody, any-body make it stop! :surrender:
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Any pro-Leave supporters out there going to stand up for the PM's antics?
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Brevet Cable wrote:Any pro-Leave supporters out there going to stand up for the PM's antics?



I admit I voted leave, I would rather leave with a deal, but from what I can remember on the tick sheet it didn't actually specify leaving either with or without a deal, it just stated leave or stay.

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Southendnick wrote:I admit I voted leave, I would rather leave with a deal, but from what I can remember on the tick sheet it didn't actually specify leaving either with or without a deal, it just stated leave or stay.
Do you support what PMBJ's doing, though?

Oh, and as has been posted before, whilst the acual options were simply 'Remain' or 'Leave' the Leave campaigners ( including BoJo ) repeatedly claimed that there would be a deal & it would be easy to reach one. No-deal was pretty much rubbished by them.
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Brevet Cable wrote:Any pro-Leave supporters out there going to stand up for the PM's antics?


Of course they're not. Someone needs to stop this brainless idiot.

It could be done, it needs a few of those endangered species, the politician with a spine, to step up.
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Brevet Cable wrote:Any pro-Leave supporters out there going to stand up for the PM's antics?


I'm not standing up for him because I think the whole thing is a complete mess but I can see why he is doing it and I don't really see what option he has to break the deadlock our idiot politicians have put us in.

The EU are relying on the fact that no-deal won't get the support of Parliament so for the possibility of no-deal having any credibility something has to change and this is the only way he has of making that change.

This is a pretty obvious course of events after the Church House meeting yesterday.

I actually think this makes the likelihood of a deal more possible now

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Southendnick wrote:I admit I voted leave, I would rather leave with a deal, but from what I can remember on the tick sheet it didn't actually specify leaving either with or without a deal, it just stated leave or stay.
Do you support what PMBJ's doing, though?

Oh, and as has been posted before, whilst the acual options were simply 'Remain' or 'Leave' the Leave campaigners ( including BoJo ) repeatedly claimed that there would be a deal & it would be easy to reach one. No-deal was pretty much rubbished by them.



He hasn't broken any laws, he hasn't changed any parliamentary rules, what he has done is legal and above board, it is part of the legislature that can be enacted as and when a Government seeks permission from the Queen, to proceed with the process.

If it was an illegal move by BoJo then yes I could fully understand people being un-happy but it's all part of our system of government, if the boot was on the other foot and a Government wanted to suspend Government to complete cancel Brexit would be so up in arms over it?

Look at Corbyn demanding and stamping his feet to the a stand in fake PM for a "short time" he would be worse than May and Brown put together!
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Legal and ethical are two different things.
He's effectively halved the time Parliament sits, which was a very short timeframe anyway.
It's not just Brexit that's affected, it's all other Parliamentary business such as any other legislation,etc. currently going through Parliament.

And yes, I wouldn't agree with them if a pro-Remain government did the same thing.
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I'm sure if Gordon Brown in 2010 decided to hang on in power by suspending parliament all the current justifiers would fully have supported such a move...

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He couldn’t could he? If you’re talking about straight after the GE parliament was already dissolved wasn’t it?

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It’s Brexit at all costs, isn’t it.

Brexit was literally run on a campaign of is “taking back control”. Now a leader we didn’t vote for, us committing a deeply *deeply* undemocratic act, to pursue a policy that the majority of people *we* elected have already voted against.

You rank hypocrites, each every one of you who is unable to see this for what it is. You don’t care about whatever means are made to get there. History will remember this badly. History will remember you badly. And I’m ashamed that I have to see people whom I otherwise respect and even admire stoop to defending the indefensible.

And yes, if the EU or even Parliament ever did something like that to stop Brexit, I would lend my voice in the strongest of possible terms to condemning it.

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Well I didn't vote for Boris. So its not my fault! :wink:

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Oh look, a 'Do not prorogue Parliament' petition :

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157?fbclid=IwAR0xZDEcMTEMXUJ6Ipm10EOt8SkWZL5IuEK8rceZPhuoRtyqvOCk-C-vbnA

Almost 450,000 signatures already.....you have to question whether it's worth bothering, given that the previous petitions have pretty much been ignored.
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450,000 signatures in less than 2 hours. How many of them signatures are real people and not some Russian bot.

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About as many as the previous petitions.

You know, the ones which were looked into when the allegations were made then & were proved to be wrong.
Unless, of course, the 'Russian bots' are all using VPNs which are capable of rapidly ( and automatically ) swapping between different UK IPs
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