Brevet Cable wrote:
What FPMTM did is irrelevant, though, PMBJ agreed with Merkel & Macron that the onus was on him to look at an alternative plan to the much-maligned 'Backstop', something he's singularly failed to do.
Going act to the EU negotiators and simply demanding they remove the 'Backstop' clause ( in the same pig-headed way he opposed May for doing ) is not negotiating.
As for if Labour come to power with Corbyn as PM....regardless of what his and some of his potential Cabinet think, they are not the whole Party.
One could accuse those making claims about what Labour'd do when they get into Government as pedalling their own version of 'Project Fear'
It lso tends to get forgotten/ignored just how much of a myth the 'Conservatives best for the Armed Forces' mantra is & always has been -- they've screwed-up & screwed over the Military just as much - if not more - as Labour & Liberal Governments have.
If you oppose the myopic pig-headed Leave policy of PMBJ, you're not exactly going to vote for the Party he's leading, are you.
There is no project fear about Corbyn, he has made so many claims publicly damning defence spending and condemning HM Forces, there are his much reported links with the IRA at a time when they mortally engaged with same. Both parties have applied severe cuts to the Armed Forces, Labour usually to prioritise spending on other public services and usually inadvisably, the Tories cut the RAF Fighter Squadrons 1957 to 1961 when Duncan Sandys pursued a greatly ill advised policy of converting to all Missile defence. Thatcher, admittedly cut operational support squadrons and was about to decimate the Navy in 1981, why I can't defend, but the process was halted in time by the Falklands, thereafter defence spending increased, beforehand, Labour under Wilson pursued cuts for public spending endlessly chopping the defence budget without concern.
They ended the East of Suez presence, regretted in some quarter now, they cancelled TSR2 in favour of the F-111 then cancelled it because of the devaluation of the pound sterling, this was to improve exports to enable a much bigger expenditure on public services, NHS, Dole etc. However, imports went up in price, this meant the cancellation of the F-111.
When Wilson returned in 1974, without a moment hesitation, and no other reason he set about slashing defence spending further removing much of Air Support Command. But apart from the time when Michael Foot was wearing his heart on his sleeve over defence and the deterrent, threatening to remove the deterrent. There was the Labour Defence Study Group headed by Ian Mikardo MP, this was a lefty version of the ERG only concerned with fear of the UK's overly robust defence posture as they saw it. They recommended to Callaghan that the Tornado should be scrapped in total and the BAOR be reduced from 55,000 to 30,000, they came to the odd ball conclusion that the defence posture, in conventional terms mostly, was provocative and could spark a nuclear war.
This is typical, not of all in the Labour party admittedly, like all, there a re right and left wing factions, it has always been the right hand faction that have formed the governments, the lentil munching types have led from time to time; George Landsbury (he who in the early 1930s called for the uncompromising disbandment of the Armed Forces in total) and of course M Foot and now, J Corbyn. The last round of defence cuts imposed by a Tory administration was Cameron's and as we know that was at a time when the country faced bankruptcy and the NHS.... they wouldn't dare! One more point, when Heath became PM in 1970, he saved the Fleet Air Arm from complete fixed-wing disbandment, which had been arranged under Healey, thus the Tories allowed the run on of Eagle til 1972 and Ark Royal into the next Labour administration who eventually got rid of it in 1978.
That's twice I've posed the above today for somewhat different reasons.