Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Georgeconna on Thu 19 Sep 2019, 12:05 pm



Well if the comments listed below the hard hitting article are anything to go by it seems they have a fair bit of support.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Elliott Marsh on Thu 19 Sep 2019, 12:18 pm

The state of that comment section. Samphire Hoe is a lovely stretch of coastline, it's a great shame to see these pound shop fascist bells polluting it.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby rockfordstone on Thu 19 Sep 2019, 12:54 pm

Georgeconna wrote:


Well if the comments listed below the hard hitting article are anything to go by it seems they have a fair bit of support.

so they go to the beach and patrol and then do what? turn the boats around, citizens arrest immigrants, drown them? i suspect they answers made them look like the racists they probably are.
the state of the comments section though.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Thu 19 Sep 2019, 1:58 pm

I don't think they're as racist as the 'Leave.EU' bunch, though....
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby MiG_Eater on Thu 19 Sep 2019, 3:30 pm

rockfordstone wrote:
Georgeconna wrote:


Well if the comments listed below the hard hitting article are anything to go by it seems they have a fair bit of support.

so they go to the beach and patrol and then do what? turn the boats around, citizens arrest immigrants, drown them? i suspect they answers made them look like the racists they probably are.
the state of the comments section though.


The irony is that the EU is by and large against immigration. The reason refugees are so desperate to get to the UK is because on the whole we are a very welcoming country. 'The Jungle' is testament to that...

These morons on the beach should have nothing to do with the Brexit debate.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby AlexC on Thu 19 Sep 2019, 3:32 pm

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I think that we learnt that from the Americans. I've visited the American Supreme Court, it's very impressive.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby iainpeden on Thu 19 Sep 2019, 3:45 pm

Given that David Cameron appears to be continuing to dig deeper the hole he is in, I was wondering how much you’ll be able to pick a copy of his book at The Works for? I reckon if might be one of the 3 for £5 offers.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby MiG_Eater on Thu 19 Sep 2019, 3:52 pm

Cameron is doing rather well if you ask me. I mean - everyone is talking about his book. He'll sell boatloads.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Thu 19 Sep 2019, 4:03 pm

MiG_Eater wrote:The reason economic migrants are so desperate to get to the UK is because on the whole we are a very welcoming country.

There you go....corrected that for you, free of charge....

The genuine refugees either internally migrate ( they stay in their own Country ) or they end up in a Country neighbouring their own.
The migrants who try to come to the UK do so either because they already have family/relatives/friends over here or because the criminal gangs tell them it's the best Country to come to.

Ironically, they'd be better off heading for Germany ( although that may well change one Mutti Merkel is ousted ) or Sweden ( although like Belgium, they seem to be seeing a hardening of attitudes against them )
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Thu 19 Sep 2019, 4:05 pm

MiG_Eater wrote:Cameron is doing rather well if you ask me. I mean - everyone is talking about his book. He'll sell boatloads.

As long as he stays away from Paris road-tunnels & avoids white Fiat Unos for the foreseeable future.... :whistle:
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Thu 19 Sep 2019, 7:47 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deadline-irish-backstop-no-deal-stephen-barclay-october-a9111756.html
The EU has set Britain a test it “cannot meet” with its demands to see a replacement for the Irish backstop, the Brexit secretary has said.
Stephen Barclay said the UK should be given another year to find a new policy for the Northern Ireland border.

The intervention comes as Downing Street said it would not be bound by an “artificial deadline” in talks.

“We are told the UK must provide legally operative text by the 31 October,” the cabinet minister Mr Barclay said in a speech in Madrid on Thursday.
“Yet the alternative to the backstop is not necessary until the end of the implementation period in December 2020.
And this will be shaped by the future relationship – which is still to be determined.
In short why risk crystallising an undesirable result this November, when both sides can work together – until December 2020"


Guess he's forgotten who it is who's imposing the October deadline..... :whistle:
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby parsley on Fri 20 Sep 2019, 3:21 pm

rockfordstone wrote:
Georgeconna wrote:


Well if the comments listed below the hard hitting article are anything to go by it seems they have a fair bit of support.

so they go to the beach and patrol and then do what? turn the boats around, citizens arrest immigrants, drown them? i suspect they answers made them look like the racists they probably are.
the state of the comments section though.


How long before Border Force start asking how those handed over mysteriously seem to have acquired cuts and bruises during the Channel crossing ?
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 9:40 am

Supreme Court giving it's ruling now.
From the preliminary statement, I'd say PMBJ is buggered :biggrin:

Edited to add....
Oh, dear...how sad.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261

A unanimous decision.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby rockfordstone on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 9:59 am

Brevet Cable wrote:Supreme Court giving it's ruling now.
From the preliminary statement, I'd say PMBJ is buggered :biggrin:

Edited to add....
Oh, dear...how sad.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261

A unanimous decision.

in any normal world a PM found lying to the monarch would resign. instead he'll be lying about shark fin soup or something
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Wissam24 on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 10:04 am

rockfordstone wrote:
Brevet Cable wrote:Supreme Court giving it's ruling now.
From the preliminary statement, I'd say PMBJ is buggered :biggrin:

Edited to add....
Oh, dear...how sad.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261

A unanimous decision.

in any normal world a PM found lying to the monarch would resign. instead he'll be lying about shark fin soup or something


Not too long ago you have to think this would've kept a party out of government for a decade or more. Now it all seems worryingly normal. Maybe that's the point.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby EGLL on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 10:10 am

Great. Now all the MPs who were whinging about democracy and not having their say can return to 'work' and stop us leaving.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Domvickery on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 10:13 am

EGLL wrote:Great. Now all the MPs who were whinging about democracy and not having their say can return to 'work' and stop us leaving.


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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 10:21 am

rockfordstone wrote:in any normal world a PM found lying to the monarch would resign

The problem is that they didn't actually judge him to have done that, though.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby EGLL on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 10:23 am

Domvickery wrote:We can hope


So much for democracy!
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby rockfordstone on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 10:25 am

Brevet Cable wrote:
rockfordstone wrote:in any normal world a PM found lying to the monarch would resign

The problem is that they didn't actually judge him to have done that, though.

true, but it doesn't look good from the outside does it?
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 10:30 am

It never has, although no doubt Trump will stick his oar in and say it's all a plot against Boris.

EGLL wrote:So much for democracy!

It was a wonderful example of democracy -- the Supreme Court deciding we're a democracy not a dictatorship where the 'Supreme Leader' can do what he wants.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 11:16 am

Parliament to reconvene at 11:30hrs tomorrow.
That could be interesting.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby CJS on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 11:21 am

Brevet Cable wrote:Parliament to reconvene at 11:30hrs tomorrow.
That could be interesting.


Extremely. Really quite looking forward to this :handbag:

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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Pat Murphy on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 11:30 am

CJS wrote:
Brevet Cable wrote:Parliament to reconvene at 11:30hrs tomorrow.
That could be interesting.


Extremely. Really quite looking forward to this :handbag:

Snap GE anyone?


:snack: Well......tomorrow should be entertaining..........
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby CJS on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 11:31 am

This is a genuine question...

If I 'act unlawfully' I can (should, if caught) be arrested and face charges (a fine, a prison sentence etc etc...) If the PM 'acts unlawfully' is s/he somehow above this happening to them?

Also, can anyone (I mean actually anyone, including BoJo himself) really, truly and honestly* see a way in which he can stay on as PM now?

*I realise that these are not words you would choose to describe a lot of politicians, so the answer I guess will be 'yes'!
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