Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby CJS on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 5:31 pm

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pbeardmore wrote:Like Trump, he is so far removed from reality that he won't resign, but surely, the party knows he can't win an election. You just don't lie to the Queen - full stop. They will find a way to get rid of him.

New Con leader?: here we go again.

but that's the thing. the political world is so bonkers he could throw a cat in front of a car and people will still vote for him.
he's going to turn it into a "courts vs brexit and the people" campaign and people will lap it up. the needle won't budge in terms of his popularity.


Please, please Boris if you're reading this, don't throw a cat in front of a car to test this theory out...

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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby iainpeden on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 5:40 pm

Whenever BJ's next audience is with HM and she asks him to kneel, I reckon he'll have a quick look around to make sure the headsman isn't here with a recently sharpened axe.
(Or she might have forgotten to feed the corgis).
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Zoom on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 7:51 pm

PMBJ is the archetypal man with a mission; A divine light shone on the road to (Camden) and instructed him, in this case to carry out the will of the people (or half his party and the DUP)

let's watch Parliament stuff up this golden opportunity to avoid it once again :wall:

at least (NTB)PMJC has finally laid out his stall
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Finningley Boy on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 8:06 pm

MiG_Eater wrote:Incidentally - am I the only Leave voter here that thought suspending parliament was a bad decision?

I do believe that parliament fully intends to thwart Brexit, and I totally understand why BJ did it - but I still thought it was wrong. We needed a general election long ago, and this is the only way forward with parliament in the state it is.

No you're not! :smile:

I also agree with the second point.

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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 24 Sep 2019, 8:17 pm

Zoom wrote:....in this case to carry out the will of the people (or half his party and the DUP)

As much as half his Party?
Didn't know the ERG had that many MPs :lol:
Confusing, though, given that last heard he was going to start kicking the pro-Leave hard-liners out ( now he's finished kicking the pro-Remainers out ) and was rumoured to be lining up to stick it to the DUP as well.

at least (NTB)PMJC has finally laid out his stall

Magic Grandad 'laying out his stall'....think you meant to say he's stalling, didn't you :wink: :biggrin:

Finningley Boy wrote:I also agree with the second point.

Granted I voted Remain, but I actually think they don't.

I'd say there are probably enough MPs who would support leaving as long as a deal was reached....unless they've all been lying, of course.
Despite what some claim, I'd also say that a large percentage of those people who voted Remain would also settle for that - I know I would.

The problem is that you've got the more hard-line Leavers who will settle for nothing less than no-deal and they've done as much to stymie the Brexit process as the Remainers, which has been compounded by both TM & BJ pandering to them.
If TM had told them to do one & stuck two fingers up to the DUP we'd have already left the EU by now.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Spiny Norman on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 6:22 am

Tommy wrote:If he does successfully turn it into “courts against Brexit”, then it’ll be pretty easy to all but the most bottom-feeding idiots that this is wrong. The Court stressed, greatly, that the judgment was nothing to do with Brexit.

Boris also instructed the government lawyers that prorogation was nothing to do with Brexit. They were at great pains to stress that. We all saw them stress that.

Anyone who today moans and can’t get over the judgment because they think it’s “muhhhh judges v Brexit” are thick twerps. Or they know the truth and are saying it anyway. In which case they’re lying twerps. Which is even worse.


The latter definitely.

By doing so they actually strengthened the Court's judgment, rather than weakening it. The judges are far from stupid and as the Queen was honour bound to go along with their misleading "reason" - they weren't.

You wonder at the intelligence of the Brexiters: Johnson, Steve Baker, Mark Francois, Rees-Moog, Hartley-Brewer. Ah. I've just answered my own question.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Tommy on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 6:48 am

There’s a lot of attacks on the judiciary today. By cowards.

Cowardly politicians, cowardly pundits offering their crappy misunderstandings as hot takes like they’re hot cakes, and cowardly newspaper editors and columnists.

All with a colossal means and voice to reach the public. Criticising and moaning at the judges knowing that the judges, judiciary, and people of the profession are not there to respond or challenge them. The cowardly spineless crap-buckets.

Don’t believe a word of it. These people are just preachers, shouting at the wind. To misuse a quote; if you can’t do it, preach it.

Look at how pleasant and good-natured, and passionate, and meticulous the Supreme Court was. No one gave a damn about column inches or sound bites or running off to LBC to give a hot take.

Now watch as we return to the screaming steaming fetid rotting corpse of what was once a very competent British institution.

Edit - from the Beeb this morning:

the Queen has been dragged by the PM's unlawful prorogation into the place where for decades politicians have agreed she should never be - right into a domestic political argument.


The Tory party, even under May is not fit to govern. Especially so under Boris.

Personally, I like the Queen and I like that we have a monarchy. Boris’ reckless dicking around has damaged her like no other politician has, and put her in an awkward spot. What an absolute knob.

And this was all an unforced error. All Boris’ own misjudgment. This wasn’t done under any pressure from anyone else. It’s all his own making.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby AlexC on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 9:53 am

Tommy wrote:Personally, I like the Queen.


Well that's good to know. And if I remember correctly, Macca said that she was a pretty nice girl.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby aceyone on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 11:07 am

AlexC wrote:
Tommy wrote:Personally, I like the Queen.


Well that's good to know. And if I remember correctly, Macca said that she was a pretty nice girl.


Wonder if She's got a lot to say about this shambles ?
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Southendnick on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 11:14 am

BORIS TO RESIGN

He is due to make a speech later today, he will resign as PM but will call for a vote on a GE immediately after, Labour, Lib Dem, SNP will vote for a GE, however Boris will throw his name back in the ring to be re-elected as leader of the Tory Party.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby CJS on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 11:31 am

Southendnick wrote:BORIS TO RESIGN

He is due to make a speech later today, he will resign as PM but will call for a vote on a GE immediately after, Labour, Lib Dem, SNP will vote for a GE, however Boris will throw his name back in the ring to be re-elected as leader of the Tory Party.


Dare I wonder if you have a source for this 'information'? Or is it just what you think might happen?

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Tommy wrote:Personally, I like the Queen.


Well that's good to know. And if I remember correctly, Macca said that she was a pretty nice girl.


Wonder if She's got a lot to say about this shambles ?


I expect she's got a lot to say. She's been put in an impossible position by the biggest fool this country has ever had the misfortune to call PM. Figurehead or not; symbolic or otherwise: she is a pivotal part of our country (she is, whether you like her / the monarchy or not) and the fact that one massive bellend has managed to do what no other PM has chosen to do really does say something about just how stupid he is.

As an aside, I imagine her husband has even more to say on the matter - and quite a lot of that would be pretty entertaining I would think.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 11:39 am

Southendnick wrote:BORIS TO RESIGN

He is due to make a speech later today, he will resign as PM

No, he won't.

Labour, Lib Dem, SNP will vote for a GE

No, they won't...and neither will Plaid Cymru( you know, the Party the English always forget exists )...well, OK, I'll qualify that by saying the ScotNats may, but none of the others would.

Oh, and just to say....am I the only one who thinks Geoffrey Cox is acting like an utter tosser again?
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby cg_341 on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 11:43 am

Brevet Cable wrote:Oh, and just to say....am I the only one who thinks Geoffrey Cox is acting like an utter tosser again?

I agreed with his comment about the rest of the House not having the balls to table a vote of no confidence or actually do anything meaningful, but other than that...agreed.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 11:52 am

The problem is that they don't trust BoJo - does anybody?
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby CJS on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 12:05 pm

Brevet Cable wrote:The problem is that they don't trust BoJo - does anybody?


I don't think even BoJo does anymore...
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Tommy on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 12:11 pm

cg_341 wrote:
Brevet Cable wrote:Oh, and just to say....am I the only one who thinks Geoffrey Cox is acting like an utter tosser again?

I agreed with his comment about the rest of the House not having the balls to table a vote of no confidence or actually do anything meaningful, but other than that...agreed.


I feel the opposite. I want Labour and the rest to resist the dangling carrot whilst we are still capable of leaving with no deal on 31/10.

Until a revocation or an extension is in the bag, we can’t really afford to waste any more time.

Let him dangle in the wind of his own farting incompetence some more. As much as anything else Boris is doing a better job at Turning voters off the Tories in two months than an army of spin doctors could do in a decade.

*then* call an election. Once the looming spectre of Halloween returns to just being Halloween.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Tommy on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 12:31 pm

Like, seriously:



They’re thinking about another court case because they don’t trust him not to break the law

Think about how absolutely mad this is. MPs are having to try to insulate their voices to leave enough time to take out Prime Minister to court again because they don’t trust him, the leader of our nation, not to break the law.

I cannot get over how mad this is. How mad these right-wing populists have let this country become.

Imagine this taking place in any other country. It’s proper banana-republic stuff.

Whom in their right mind could ever countenance themselves as a Tory in this day and age.

Damn them all to hell - may Boris be cursed to loudly fart himself into prolapse on public transport.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby pbeardmore on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 12:39 pm

The lack of contrition has been surprising, Cox, Gove, JRM, all living in a different World, not a hint of regret, these guys are on a different planet. Remarkable. Won't go down well at Buck Palace.

IMHO, JC not falling for this "he hasn't got the balls" thing is spot on. He has clearly been dared into calling an early GE and it's better to see Boris and his team get deeper and deeper into trouble. The electorate (as they are today) need to see these guys for the people they really are.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Tommy on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 12:53 pm

No party in power should be egging the other side on to call a GE - there’s a massive narrative amongst Tories doing just that and it’s obviously not out of principle.

Boris screaming at JC to “call an election, you big girls blouse!” Convinced me that it’s strategy.

Even my local MP is asking for an election.

None of them want to risk their seats without a reason. It’s strategy, and baiting to the other side. And it has Cummings’ stinking turd-fingers all over it.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby pbeardmore on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 1:00 pm

It really is a roller coaster, seeing the SC hearing and their verdict, made you have faith in the whole system,

but then, the team in power seem not to care - they are an utter stinking shambles, paraphrasing the FT today (such a left wing paper), "any PM with a shred of dignity would have resigned."
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby FarnboroJohn on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 3:27 pm

pbeardmore wrote:It really is a roller coaster, seeing the SC hearing and their verdict, made you have faith in the whole system,

but then, the team in power seem not to care - they are an utter stinking shambles, paraphrasing the FT today (such a left wing paper), "any PM with a shred of dignity would have resigned."


I think that must be integrity... he left his dignity hanging on a wire. Or was it in a wildlife pond? Or just substituting va-va-va-va-va for intelligent debate/statesmanlike rhetoric.

I can't wait to see the Downfall version of this.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Spiny Norman on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 5:00 pm

According to the Parliament website, Parliament is dissolved 25 working days before a general election. So if a general election is called for tomorrow it would allow Johnson to run down the clock (while of course pretending he's seriously negotiating for a deal) until D-Day, the 31st of October is passed.

He can then be elected as the Prime Minister who delivered Brexit. The Brexit Party votes disappear and guess who they all vote for. It won't be Labour or the LibDems. He gets a decent majority and then can sell off the NHS, etc. If it's a disastrous no-deal, as looks likely, he'll still get voted in as people in Britain are not voting at the moment on the basis of sound decisions but emotions. He can look a bit like Churchill in the Blitz.

If Brexit was to be delayed for 6 months or a year, a general election would make sense, to allow parties to state their positions and then take it from there. At the moment it very much suits the Conservatives.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 5:14 pm

Which is why the opposition Parties ( with the possible exception of the ScotNats ) won't call a VONC.
Under the 'Fixed Term Parliament Act', BoJo ( or any other PM, for that matter ) can't just dissolve Parliament & call a GE whenever they want to.
He couldn't even do it by resigning.
The only way apparently would be if he called a VONC in himself.....and even then, there's no guarantee he'd get enough MPs to vote for it.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 5:35 pm

:roll: :dizzy: :clown: :wall:
And that's just after the first five minutes!
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Tommy on Wed 25 Sep 2019, 10:11 pm

I can’t lie, I’m seething at the blind-arrogance stupid double-think of this crap-bag human being.



I know I warned of how bad it’d be to go back to parliament after the loveliness of the Supreme Court, but Christ alive what absolute twattery.

Screw those pathetic human beings who still support him.

And, to add insult to considerable injury, he didn’t even answer the sodding question.

I’m actually disgusted. And I’m disgusted at all those crusty old farts in the Conservative Associations who voted him as the Tory leader. I hope when that GE does come, they are annihilated as a party. They don’t deserve to even be a protest vote.
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