Tommy wrote: MiG_Eater wrote:
Tommy wrote:...the voice that people voted for.
No, this isn't what people voted for. They may have been the people that claimed to have certain plans if they were elected - but many of them have made an utter mockery of their manifesto commitments. If MPs were actually making good on their manifesto commitments we'd have left by now.
You, with much celebration, voted for the Brexit Party in May as I recall. A party that refused to publish its manifesto. You can’t have it both ways, pal. You can’t hold all the other parties to account over their (for better or worse not legally binding) manifesto commitments and then vote for ones who petulantly refuse to publish theirs.
I voted for the Brexit party without any celebration at all. It was with a genuinely heavy heart because we should have been out of the EU by the time those elections were taking place. I voted for them very specifically because they are a single issue party. Whether it is even right to call them a 'party' is debatable itself - they exist as a pressure group to get us out of the EU.
With regard to the absolutely and totally separate 2017 general election, the Labour party cynically took advantage of it's major Leave voting tranche and said they would honour the referendum result. They have not done this. We need a general election, badly for this very reason. I don't see anything inconsistent about my position.
MiG_Eater wrote:However, leaving the EU was never in parliament's plans, and we won't.
So why did you Brexiteers vote for “Parliamentary sovereignty!” And why are Brexiteers so white-hot angry about what they knew would happen, happen?
Because we can vote them out! The only reason we had this referendum in the first place is because the Tories knew the European question had to be settled. To paraphrase the great Eurosceptic Tony Benn - Parliament is lent
it's power by the electorate. It is not for them to hand powers over to any other body.
MiG_Eater wrote:The irony is - Johnson is a remainer
It begins. Like freaking clockwork. It’s all Remain’s fault. Anyone who fails simply didn’t believe hard enough. We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.
I don't really understand your point here - but just to be clear, I was only making an observation on the amusing state of affairs. To be honest I think Johnson would support any argument if he thought it would further his career. Corbyn, I find even more offensive because he is a politician who had for so long appeared to have integrity. A little sniff of power, and he's willing to utterly cave in on his long held Euroscepticism.
Is it just me, or does anybody else find all this utterly depressing. Both sides are now so thoroughly entrenched that conversation and debate seems almost impossible. Both sides are sure that theirs is the only one that can reasonably be called democratic, only their side is the one that supports the poorest in society and only their side is the one that secures a good future for the UK. I just can't see how we can get out of this dreadful mess. Here's hoping for a miracle!