Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby psquiddy on Tue 29 Oct 2019, 9:37 pm

So what is the difference between 9th and 12th December?

12th is a Thursday - aren't elections always on a Thursday?
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby rockfordstone on Tue 29 Oct 2019, 9:52 pm

it was to do with student votes. because they will be going back home over that period for Christmas they may not be eligible to vote in their home town if they are registered in their student accommodation.

given they student backing for labour last time, they were hoping to do it while they were still at uni
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby verreli on Tue 29 Oct 2019, 10:05 pm

Being as the university semester typically ends on 13th December, they should all still be at their respective schools and so not a problem...?
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Postby rockfordstone on Tue 29 Oct 2019, 10:15 pm

verreli wrote:Being as the university semester typically ends on 13th December, they should all still be at their respective schools and so not a problem...?

Term ends officially, doesn't mean the students are all still there.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Wed 30 Oct 2019, 7:28 am

As one Conservative MP ( who has been a school governor for over 30 years ) said during yesterday's debate, because schools tend to be used as polling stations some kids tend to miss 2 days schooling....the Thursday of the GE and the Friday because their parents decide 'stuff it, we'll make a long weekend of it'
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby CJS on Wed 30 Oct 2019, 9:00 am

Brevet Cable wrote:As one Conservative MP ( who has been a school governor for over 30 years ) said during yesterday's debate, because schools tend to be used as polling stations some kids tend to miss 2 days schooling....the Thursday of the GE and the Friday because their parents decide 'stuff it, we'll make a long weekend of it'


If only the teachers could do the same :lol:
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby MiG_Eater on Wed 30 Oct 2019, 9:07 am

The student vote query is a total red herring. There's nothing to stop anybody using a postal vote.

I think this could be a very, very interesting election. I am pretty sure the Labour vote will collapse, but even if i'm right about that (which I may well not be) god knows how the other parties will do.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby jalfrezi on Wed 30 Oct 2019, 9:18 am

I feel a Brexit / Tory Party coalition is on the cards if we end up with a hung parliament, even though the Tories said they never would, we all know that's a lie.....
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Wed 30 Oct 2019, 9:28 am

Plus the Messiah Farage has repeatedly said that his Cult wouldn't go into coalition with the Conservatives.....but then, he's a duplicitous liar too.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby MiG_Eater on Wed 30 Oct 2019, 10:20 am

With FPTP I think although the Brexit party will soak up a huge number of votes, the idea that they will get any MPs seems very unlikely to me. The Brexit party stand to succeed (in their aims, not in getting seats) only if they can convince the Tories that they will lose seats to Labour/LibDem unless they change their Brexit policy ahead of the vote. The trouble is, the Tories know they are not trusted - especially by hardcore Leavers.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby LN Strike Eagle on Wed 30 Oct 2019, 10:27 am

Johnson can only campaign on the strength of his “deal”. He can’t threaten “no deal” now, as he’s taken the extension to get this deal passed and if he does anything else, he’ll be in the exact same position as he mocked Labour for - namely securing a deal and then campaigning against it! On that basis a pact with Farage is out, so the vote will be split and I can’t see anything other than another hung parliament.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Wed 30 Oct 2019, 11:48 am

The Farage Cult are concentrating on a hard-line ( no deal ) Brexit, which is why they say they won't form a coalition with the Conservatives & won't make any deals when it comes to fighting individual seats.
How many of the electorate want a no-deal Brexit is open to question even in areas which overwhelmingly voted Leave in the Referendum, if Wales is anything to go by.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby rockfordstone on Wed 30 Oct 2019, 11:56 am

Brevet Cable wrote:The Farage Cult are concentrating on a hard-line ( no deal ) Brexit, which is why they say they won't form a coalition with the Conservatives & won't make any deals when it comes to fighting individual seats.
How many of the electorate want a no-deal Brexit is open to question even in areas which overwhelmingly voted Leave in the Referendum, if Wales is anything to go by.

i think the brexit party vote will be nullified by the boris effect. despite what farage says, not everyone voted for no deal. the fact that boris can sell his deal as solving NI and delivering brexit (regardless of its flaws) will be enough to bring all but the rabid no dealers into the fold.

i can see it being another hung parliament, only this time the cons have pissed everyone else off so they won't be able to form a majority with either a coalition or confidence agreement.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby verreli on Wed 30 Oct 2019, 2:30 pm

If we're making predictions, my guess is that Boris will get a slim majority, enough to pass the legislation to get his Brexit vassal treaty through parliament. The Labour vote will deflate but not collapse; the votes going to the LD and BP parties. The Libs and SNP will pick up seats at the expense of Labour and the BP will pick up a seat or two (maybe). This will leave the opposition weakened and Boris able to pass most of his legislation unhindered.

After another 5 years the population will realise that the economy didn't collapse following some initial negative press; trade agreements will have been struck including a few headline ones such as with the USA; the economy will have strengthened enough to throw a tax cut at the electorate and Boris will strengthen his majority. The BP will be dissolved; the Lib vote will retreat; Labour will get a new leader and normal service will resume.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Wed 30 Oct 2019, 3:02 pm

He's played it smart in three ways....
Firstly by restoring the whip to half of the MPs he recently kicked out.
Secondly - and possibly most importantly - by doing the dirty on the DUP and effectively kicking them into touch.
Thirdly by playing on 'we want to leave with a deal' thereby distancing themselves from the Farage Cult ( heck, even the ERG have been pretty quiet in that respect )
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Southendnick on Thu 31 Oct 2019, 11:18 am

verreli wrote:If we're making predictions, my guess is that Boris will get a slim majority, enough to pass the legislation to get his Brexit vassal treaty through parliament. The Labour vote will deflate but not collapse; the votes going to the LD and BP parties. The Libs and SNP will pick up seats at the expense of Labour and the BP will pick up a seat or two (maybe). This will leave the opposition weakened and Boris able to pass most of his legislation unhindered.

After another 5 years the population will realise that the economy didn't collapse following some initial negative press; trade agreements will have been struck including a few headline ones such as with the USA; the economy will have strengthened enough to throw a tax cut at the electorate and Boris will strengthen his majority. The BP will be dissolved; the Lib vote will retreat; Labour will get a new leader and normal service will resume.



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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Thu 31 Oct 2019, 11:23 am

And then you woke up.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Southendnick on Thu 31 Oct 2019, 12:42 pm

Who voted against:

1984 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act: Outlawed NI terror groups.
1985 Updating the Prevention of Terrorism Act 1974: Gave emergency powers to police forces to quiz terror suspects travelling between Northern Ireland and Great Britain
1989 Elected Authorities (Northern Ireland) Act 1989: Law that requires candidates for election in local and Northern Ireland Assembly to declare they will never support terrorism
1989 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act: Banned support for the IRA and Irish National Liberation Army
1989 Security Service Act: Established legal basis of the UK Security Service for the first time - giving security services the function of protecting the UK from terrorism
1991 Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions): Allowed police to search sites for weapons and arms
1996 Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act: Banned possession of items for terrorists
1998 Criminal Justice (Terrorism and Conspiracy) Act: Stricter punishment for being a member of terror group following the Omagh bombing
2000 Terrorism Act: Redefined terrorism and gave police stop and search powers
2001 The Terrorism Act 2000 (Proscribed Organisations) (Amendment) Order: Statutory instrument banning Al-Qa’ida in a statutory instrument, 6 months before 9/11
2001 Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act: Following 9/11, indefinite holding without charge of suspects who cannot be deported.
2005 Prevention of Terrorism Act: Gave the Home Secretary the power to impose control orders on terror suspects
2006 Terrorism Act: Outlawed the “glorification” of terror following 7/7 bombings
2008 Counter-Terrorism Act: Banned communication of sensitive details about Armed Forces
2011 Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act: Replaced control orders with new powers to restrict the movement of suspects who could not be prosecuted or deported
2013 Justice and Security Act: Allowed secret hearings in courts on issues of national security
2014 Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act: Gave police emergency access to phone and internet records


And who abstained on:
2003 Criminal Justice Act: Modernising the criminal justice system, allows offences to be tried by a judge sitting alone without a jury
2016 Investigatory Powers Bill: To allow the bulk interception of communications, equipment interference, subject to certain safeguards.

Who sais: “The party in ’83 presented a very interesting electoral platform but lots of people in the party were quite frightened of it, and the Tories were running essentially a fairly xenophobic election surrounding the Falklands war which we never challenged.”
going on to say “it was a nauseating waste of money and lives, one of those crazy conflicts of flag-waving nonsense”.

The same person being on record as saying he thinks Argentina should have a Falklands power sharing deal – despite the Islanders wanting to remain British.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Thu 31 Oct 2019, 12:56 pm

Boris Johnson?
JRM?
No?
Gis a clue.....
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I can't be the only person to agree with his stance on a lot of those, given that the Acts were often badly-worded and ill-thought-out ( and in a number of cases were in contravention of the ECHR )
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Tommy on Thu 31 Oct 2019, 2:00 pm

Southendnick wrote:Who voted against

....


Not a clue, but whomever it is is probably an idiot. Some of those laws are pretty decent pieces of legislation. Some aren’t/weren’t (and a decent chunk of it enacted during a Labour government :whistle: )

But i’ll bet you haven’t got a clue what they actually say or do beyond the bleurb. So my question is; which Facebook group are you getting all this from?

And how is it that you (they) can name all those pieces of legislation to make a point, but can’t name a single bad EU law forced upon this country and say how it affects or has affected your life? Because I’m quite sure if you(they) had found some, you’d be preaching it as loud as you could (and they do exist).
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby rockfordstone on Thu 31 Oct 2019, 2:11 pm

Tommy wrote:
Southendnick wrote:Who voted against

....

So my question is; which Facebook group are you getting all this from?

I'm gonna stick my neck out and suggest it will either have a Union flag or Bulldog as the profile picture/header image
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby Brevet Cable on Thu 31 Oct 2019, 2:40 pm

Worse than that....he's outed himself as a 'Scum' reader!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3729539/jeremy-corbyn-voted-against-17-different-terror-laws-in-his-career-as-an-mp-here-they-are-in-full/
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby CJS on Thu 31 Oct 2019, 10:23 pm

Trump criticises BoJo's Brexit deal... So therefore it must be quite good.

I'm confused now.

More confused I mean...
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby rockfordstone on Fri 01 Nov 2019, 9:08 am

CJS wrote:Trump criticises BoJo's Brexit deal... So therefore it must be quite good.

I'm confused now.

More confused I mean...

given our MP's haven't been given the full details of the deal, i struggle to see how trump knows the detail of it.
most things trump says should be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Re: Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

Postby MiG_Eater on Fri 01 Nov 2019, 10:10 am

Brevet Cable wrote:Worse than that....he's outed himself as a 'Scum' reader!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3729539/jeremy-corbyn-voted-against-17-different-terror-laws-in-his-career-as-an-mp-here-they-are-in-full/


Very dangerous publication. Perhaps we should start burning it!?
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