Is anybody happy with the Brexit white paper?

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DerekF wrote:Spot on Zoom. In the almost 4 years since the referendum I have yet to hear of any advantage the UK will get by being outside the EU. Lots of lies and half truths but little in the way of facts.


The problem was that it appears there are millions of people who aren’t “doing very well” under the current system. They’ve , in their eyes, got nothing to lose by voting to change things. They don’t really care what changes , but it might be better and can’t be worse, in their minds.

There are those that voted “to get their country back” and they aren’t bothered about what they lose ( or gain ) to “get control back”.

There are those that voted “to get rid of Asians!” - they are mental.

There are those that genuinely believe that a trade deal with India is better than gifting India money in aid or setting up trade deals with the Middle East (such as buying Oranges from Jordan or, in the case of my friend, selling Blackpool Rock to Israel) would be of benefit.

Buying stuff from Arab nations might be better than bombing them.

A lot of people couldn’t care less if it’s worse or better, they just wanted change.

I voted Remain but I’ve been trying to see positives as we are leaving, so pointless going on about “what if we had stayed” - we aren’t staying we are leaving.
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DerekF wrote:Spot on Zoom. In the almost 4 years since the referendum I have yet to hear of any advantage the UK will get by being outside the EU. Lots of lies and half truths but little in the way of facts.


I agree but a lot of campaigners and voters (not me !) thought the following were important wins if we left; (trying not to make any snide comments just facts as I see it)

1. Stopping uncontrolled EU migration (to work BTW that's all it covered, it's the UK's stupid fault if we are so useless we can't keep track of it)
2. Keeping control of our fisheries
3. Not abiding by EU legislation
4. Not being under the jurisdiction of the ECJ
5. Being free to strike our own trade deals
6. Some amount of money on the side of a bus

Anyway it's all academic as PMBJ has shown his hand and we are heading for the cliff (not his fault of course)

PS FB if you were alluding to the would be Scottish referendum, nothing to do with me or the EU referendum so drop it please :smile:
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Anybody an idea on what Baby-Trump is hiding by refusing certain journalists at no 10 briefings?
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R4118 wrote:Anybody an idea on what Baby-Trump is hiding by refusing certain journalists at no 10 briefings?


no but I hope it comes back to bite his (substantial) rump

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Not quite as it is being reported (do you believe everything you read in the papers!)

There was a normal briefing for all lobby journalists and then this later one that they were "banned" from was for a “smaller briefing for specialist senior journalists” and not lobby journalists, as those that were asked to leave were lobby journalists they would not have been permitted entry, where as the specialist senior journalists were permitted.
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Southendnick wrote:Not quite as it is being reported (do you believe everything you read in the papers!)

There was a normal briefing for all lobby journalists and then this later one that they were "banned" from was for a “smaller briefing for specialist senior journalists” and not lobby journalists, as those that were asked to leave were lobby journalists they would not have been permitted entry, where as the specialist senior journalists were permitted.


You must have read your version of events somewhere as well. Do you believe everything you read? Unless you were there of course.

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It's good that PMBJ and Gove have made an early start in the negotiations (by effectively drowning them at birth from their side) at least everyone knows where they stand.

Time for some grown ups (ie European business and industry and yes that includes the UK) to come into the room and explain what the implications are :wall:

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Zoom wrote:Time for some grown ups (ie European business and industry and yes that includes the UK) to come into the room and explain what the implications are :wall:


They've been doing that for the past three years.
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Southendnick wrote:Not quite as it is being reported (do you believe everything you read in the papers!)

There was a normal briefing for all lobby journalists and then this later one that they were "banned" from was for a “smaller briefing for specialist senior journalists” and not lobby journalists, as those that were asked to leave were lobby journalists they would not have been permitted entry, where as the specialist senior journalists were permitted.


If it was all perfectly normal, why was there a walk out? Why did some journalists say they'd never seen anything like this in decades of reporting?

You can believe all you like in the papers, but when first-hand sources are telling you things directly, you can't dismiss it that easily.

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Judging by the inability of any Brexiteers here and elsewhere, despite repeatedly being asked, to name a single EU rule that has negatively affected their life, or that they didn’t like, one imagines that this consultation will be all foam, no beer.

Guess they’d better get on with some frantic Googling, eh.

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Tommy wrote:Judging by the inability of any Brexiteers here and elsewhere, despite repeatedly being asked, to name a single EU rule that has negatively affected their life, or that they didn’t like, one imagines that this consultation will be all foam, no beer.

Guess they’d better get on with some frantic Googling, eh.

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from reading various sources i would imagine it would be a list like this

1 - the one that says we can't wrap our fish dinner in newspaper
2 - the one that says we can't have blue passports
3 - the bendy banana one
4 - the one that stops us having chlorinated chicken (it's fine cos we have chlorine in pools and pipes and that)
5 - anything to do with elf and safety (it's gone mad you know)
6 - the one that stops immigrants, especially muslims, but not the one that stops us british "expats" going to live abroad
7 - the one that deals with fish

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Don’t forget about not being part of the EU army
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Domvickery wrote:Don’t forget about not being part of the EU army

and political correctness. that's gone mad as well

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Three-pin plugs too. Don’t forget about those...
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LN Strike Eagle wrote:Three-pin plugs too. Don’t forget about those...


I don't get that one. Are you saying we are overly protective of our 3 pin plugs over the 2 pin European? I don't give a monkeys about passports and bananas but when it comes to plugs it is definitely UK 1 - Europe (and the US) 0

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starbuck wrote:
LN Strike Eagle wrote:Three-pin plugs too. Don’t forget about those...


I don't get that one. Are you saying we are overly protective of our 3 pin plugs over the 2 pin European? I don't give a monkeys about passports and bananas but when it comes to plugs it is definitely UK 1 - Europe (and the US) 0


Uk 3 - Eur 2 surely :dunno:
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So now the post Brexit day fog has cleared we are here;

1. PMBJ and his cronies are mow actively pursuing the "Australian" (ie no) deal with the EU
2. UK businesses have 11 months to prepare for this' including how to trade under WTO rules
3. Customs controls which currently do not exist suddenly have to go up between the UK and EU / GB and NI

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People were warned...
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LN Strike Eagle wrote:People were warned...


S'ok though, it was "the will of the people..." :roll:
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The will to "get it done" was so strong that it overtook any warnings, no matter how well sourced.

It's a bit like when a road is flooded, cones and signs are put up to deter motorists from trying but even when they can see abandoned cars mid-stream, they still attempt it.

Brexit would not be so alarming if there was a government in place that you thought you could trust to manage it properly. A competent administration with capable ministers in charge of a fully-motivated and effective civil service and public sector organisations would calm most nerves.

Instead we have the current government, with a chief of staff thinking it clever to quote a children's TV show when asked sensible questions.

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I still don't think PMBJ and his team have the faintest idea what they want from the trade deal negotiations apart from protecting the UK's fishing waters and not taking EU rules, whilst respecting the wishes of the great and gifted who voted us into this.

As I've said before it's time for some adults (like the banks, motor industry, farming and Airbus etc) to explain what an effective WTO trading relationship will actually mean because the government doesn't seem to know.

And also for the UK media to report it; I've given up on reading anything meaningful and impartial online from the BBC certainly not what I pay my enforced TV licence fee for :sleepy:

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Zoom wrote:I still don't think PMBJ and his team have the faintest idea what they want from the trade deal negotiations apart from protecting the UK's fishing waters and not taking EU rules, whilst respecting the wishes of the great and gifted who voted us into this.

As I've said before it's time for some adults (like the banks, motor industry, farming and Airbus etc) to explain what an effective WTO trading relationship will actually mean because the government doesn't seem to know.

And also for the UK media to report it; I've given up on reading anything meaningful and impartial online from the BBC certainly not what I pay my enforced TV licence fee for :sleepy:


I think the industries you quoted have been saying that about WTO for a few years but it was all said to be "Project Fear".

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Zoom wrote:I still don't think PMBJ and his team have the faintest idea what they want from the trade deal negotiations apart from protecting the UK's fishing waters and not taking EU rules, whilst respecting the wishes of the great and gifted who voted us into this.

As I've said before it's time for some adults (like the banks, motor industry, farming and Airbus etc) to explain what an effective WTO trading relationship will actually mean because the government doesn't seem to know.

And also for the UK media to report it; I've given up on reading anything meaningful and impartial online from the BBC certainly not what I pay my enforced TV licence fee for :sleepy:


I think the industries you quoted have been saying that about WTO for a few years but it was all said to be "Project Fear".


Funny that :wall:

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and so the blame game continues

"Miss they promised us a Canada style trade deal and now they've taken their ball away and it's not fair and it's all their fault not ours"

Pathetic

perhaps we need some pressure that even PMBJ understands; good old fashioned currency exchange rates :surrender:

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Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen Boris recently?
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