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Southendnick wrote:*/fear*


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The five Horsemen of the Apocalypse are saddling their horses as we speak......
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Brevet Cable wrote:The five Horsemen of the Apocalypse are saddling their horses as we speak......
:biggrin:


Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg...go on, who are the other 2?
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Raab & Javid, of course.
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( Actually a reference to Terry Pratchett's 'Thief of Time' )
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Listening to BoJo speaking at the NATO meeting at the moment.....
Why is it that - yet again - due to his I'm instantly reminded of Rowan Atkinson's Blackadder.....I keep expecting him to say "Bob"
:lol:

And I see he's still doing his thing of not looking at the person whose question he's answering.

Edited to add....
Avoided answering the question from the BFBS journo about military manpower & manning issues by waffling, as usual.
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aceyone wrote:
Southendnick wrote:It WILL be a Labour/SNP/LibDem coalition, Corbyn will claim a new Brexit deal that will see the result "honoured" (at least in his head) that will see the UK "exit" the EU but remain in the customs union and single market, resulting in the UK having to follow all EU rules and regulation but without a say in what they are, the national veto will be stripped away from the UK, and the rebate will be withdrawn, payments will increase by 5%, we will not be able to strike trade deals outside the EU and we will have to leave boarders open to any and all EU citizens.

The nationalisation of Gas, Water and Leccy will go massively over budget as companies demand a fair price (at present labour say they will choose a price) the courts are bogged down in cases, the Red Rag Broadband results in all the other suppliers close down their services as they can't compete with a government funded free service, resulting the over 150,000 job losses.

With the railways back under state control and the Trade Unions Bill scrapped, the unions seize the opportunity to hold the government over a barrel and call a full national strike with all public sector works coming out, union demands are three day working week, 50% pay increase and more paid holidays. The dead go un buried, the rubbish piles up the 1978/79 winter of discontent looks like a pleasant summers day compared to the Ice Age Winter of Depression and Death or 2019/20.

Corbyn will persecute the Armed Forces, and disarm the police, ex-squaddies will be given over to the courts whilst IRA terrorists will remain free,


"Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...

The dead rising from the grave.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.

Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!" :grin:


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Southendnick wrote:It WILL be a Labour/SNP/LibDem coalition, Corbyn will claim a new Brexit deal that will see the result "honoured" (at least in his head) that will see the UK "exit" the EU but remain in the customs union and single market, resulting in the UK having to follow all EU rules and regulation but without a say in what they are, the national veto will be stripped away from the UK, and the rebate will be withdrawn, payments will increase by 5%, we will not be able to strike trade deals outside the EU and we will have to leave boarders open to any and all EU citizens.

The nationalisation of Gas, Water and Leccy will go massively over budget as companies demand a fair price (at present labour say they will choose a price) the courts are bogged down in cases, the Red Rag Broadband results in all the other suppliers close down their services as they can't compete with a government funded free service, resulting the over 150,000 job losses.

With the railways back under state control and the Trade Unions Bill scrapped, the unions seize the opportunity to hold the government over a barrel and call a full national strike with all public sector works coming out, union demands are three day working week, 50% pay increase and more paid holidays. The dead go un buried, the rubbish piles up the 1978/79 winter of discontent looks like a pleasant summers day compared to the Ice Age Winter of Depression and Death or 2019/20.

Corbyn will persecute the Armed Forces, and disarm the police, ex-squaddies will be given over to the courts whilst IRA terrorists will remain free,


Are you a real person or just a really bad parody account?

If you are a real person, I'd like to respond with "project fear, stop scaremongering"

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aceyone wrote:
Southendnick wrote:It WILL be a Labour/SNP/LibDem coalition, Corbyn will claim a new Brexit deal that will see the result "honoured" (at least in his head) that will see the UK "exit" the EU but remain in the customs union and single market, resulting in the UK having to follow all EU rules and regulation but without a say in what they are, the national veto will be stripped away from the UK, and the rebate will be withdrawn, payments will increase by 5%, we will not be able to strike trade deals outside the EU and we will have to leave boarders open to any and all EU citizens.

The nationalisation of Gas, Water and Leccy will go massively over budget as companies demand a fair price (at present labour say they will choose a price) the courts are bogged down in cases, the Red Rag Broadband results in all the other suppliers close down their services as they can't compete with a government funded free service, resulting the over 150,000 job losses.

With the railways back under state control and the Trade Unions Bill scrapped, the unions seize the opportunity to hold the government over a barrel and call a full national strike with all public sector works coming out, union demands are three day working week, 50% pay increase and more paid holidays. The dead go un buried, the rubbish piles up the 1978/79 winter of discontent looks like a pleasant summers day compared to the Ice Age Winter of Depression and Death or 2019/20.

Corbyn will persecute the Armed Forces, and disarm the police, ex-squaddies will be given over to the courts whilst IRA terrorists will remain free,


"Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...

The dead rising from the grave.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.

Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!" :grin:

Yet likely true, further, I would add the removal of the nuclear deterrent, massive far reaching asset and personnel stripping of the Armed Forces to a token level (relatively speaking of course). Perhaps attempts to exploit divisions within NATO, confrontational attitude toward the US Government and attempts to seek alliances with Iran etc. Scoff all you like, but I fear Southendnick has under played it a bit!

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Brevet Cable wrote:Listening to BoJo speaking at the NATO meeting at the moment.....
Why is it that - yet again - due to his I'm instantly reminded of Rowan Atkinson's Blackadder.....I keep expecting him to say "Bob"
:lol:

And I see he's still doing his thing of not looking at the person whose question he's answering.

Edited to add....
Avoided answering the question from the BFBS journo about military manpower & manning issues by waffling, as usual.



Waffling as they have just announced there will be another defence review - don't think the last one was ever completed...

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Nice to see the two-faced Brexit Party MEPs jumping ship and defecting to the Conservative Party which they've always really been a part of. :whistle:
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Brevet Cable wrote:Nice to see the two-faced Brexit Party MEPs jumping ship and defecting to the Conservative Party which they've always really been a part of. :whistle:


They haven't joined the Tory party, they said vote Tory, they are standing as independents
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rockfordstone wrote:
Southendnick wrote:It WILL be a Labour/SNP/LibDem coalition, Corbyn will claim a new Brexit deal that will see the result "honoured" (at least in his head) that will see the UK "exit" the EU but remain in the customs union and single market, resulting in the UK having to follow all EU rules and regulation but without a say in what they are, the national veto will be stripped away from the UK, and the rebate will be withdrawn, payments will increase by 5%, we will not be able to strike trade deals outside the EU and we will have to leave boarders open to any and all EU citizens.

The nationalisation of Gas, Water and Leccy will go massively over budget as companies demand a fair price (at present labour say they will choose a price) the courts are bogged down in cases, the Red Rag Broadband results in all the other suppliers close down their services as they can't compete with a government funded free service, resulting the over 150,000 job losses.

With the railways back under state control and the Trade Unions Bill scrapped, the unions seize the opportunity to hold the government over a barrel and call a full national strike with all public sector works coming out, union demands are three day working week, 50% pay increase and more paid holidays. The dead go un buried, the rubbish piles up the 1978/79 winter of discontent looks like a pleasant summers day compared to the Ice Age Winter of Depression and Death or 2019/20.

Corbyn will persecute the Armed Forces, and disarm the police, ex-squaddies will be given over to the courts whilst IRA terrorists will remain free,


Are you a real person or just a really bad parody account?

If you are a real person, I'd like to respond with "project fear, stop scaremongering"

Rockfordstone,

Have neither you nor Brevet Cable fear-mongered over Brexit, the Tories, Brexit Party etc, or has it all been just personal vitriol? Cetainly can't recall any objective posts?

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Can't answer for 'rockfordstone', but as you include me.....

Brexit?
It hasn't happened yet, so who's to say whether it was fear-mongering or not.

The Conservative Party?
Nope, more their leadership.....in which case, personal vitriol regarding BoJo for so many reasons that it would fill a book ( and May for being the second most useless PM ever - behind BoJo, of course )
If they actually had a decent leader I think more people would vote for them.

The Brexit Party ( and by extension, the earlier Farage cult which is UKIP )?
Out and out personal vitriol, and I make no apologies for it.

You'll also notice that I've slagged off Welsh Labour for being a bunch of useless, inept wastrels who waste money like it's going out of fashion.


Oh, and to turn things on their head, I'd say you're just as guilty when it comes to the Labour Party in general and Corbyn in particular.
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Brevet Cable wrote:If they actually had a decent leader I think more people would vote for them.

They could have had Rory Stewart!
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I'd actually have considered voting for them if he was leader.....and it's nothing to do with his stance on Brexit.
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Brevet Cable wrote:Can't answer for 'rockfordstone', but as you include me.....

Brexit?
It hasn't happened yet, so who's to say whether it was fear-mongering or not.

The Conservative Party?
Nope, more their leadership.....in which case, personal vitriol regarding BoJo for so many reasons that it would fill a book ( and May for being the second most useless PM ever - behind BoJo, of course )
If they actually had a decent leader I think more people would vote for them.

The Brexit Party ( and by extension, the earlier Farage cult which is UKIP )?
Out and out personal vitriol, and I make no apologies for it.

You'll also notice that I've slagged off Welsh Labour for being a bunch of useless, inept wastrels who waste money like it's going out of fashion.


Oh, and to turn things on their head, I'd say you're just as guilty when it comes to the Labour Party in general and Corbyn in particular.

With regard to you first response about Brexit. That's exactly the point, Rockfordstone, has attacked Southendnick for scaremongering about a Corbyn Government. He also got quite personal with some comment about whether he's a genuine individual or some kind of automaton or something like that. I've noticed with all the left leaning posters on here, they are invariably offensive posters, in one way or another. If it isn't responses such as Rockfordstone's, it'll be to question the rationale of the poster, quite deliberately.
But I'll stand by my own position, a Corbyn government would be bloody dreadful. Their spending plans alone couldn't be met without excessive borrowing and fa reaching cuts in other departments which don't traditionally enjoy much support or prominence with the left. I wonder who that might be?

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As with the other Parties, I don't trust or believe all of the Labour Manifesto.
Again as with the other Parties, it's already suffering creep and 'clarification' ( and the occasional add-on such as class sizes ) especially with regards the timeframe involved.
And again as with the other Parties, their spending plans and costings have already been independently scrutinised and found to be wanting.
And the same bodies/organisations who carried out that scrutiny have said that both Labour and the Conservatives will have to do far more cutting and borrowing than they've so far claimed they'll need to do.

Can utilities be re-nationalised under Labour? Yes, but it's far more feasible to do it as and when individual franchises expire ( much like what's happened with some of the rail contracts ) and would therefore take a lot longer than they propose.

Do I trust the Conservatives under Boris when it comes to the NHS? Not a hope in Hell, given his repeated lies about how many new hospitals are being built......but then, I didn't trust Blair either, so it's not an anti-Conservative thing.

I have to ask, do you think Boris is wrong to try and make this GE predominantly about Brexit ( and he's currently on the telly doing just that ) instead of other issues?
If you watched 'Politics Live' earlier, they were reporting from one traditionally hard-line Conservative constituency ( Raab's ? ) which has apparently seen a large shift to the LibDems simply because the voters there are predominantly Remain-supporters.
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Brevet Cable wrote:...(and May for being the second most useless PM ever - behind BoJo, of course)


Sorry, you seem to have forgotten Blair, then Gordon Brown, both of whom are well ahead in being the worst PM!

Bring back Maggie from the early eighties! :handbag:



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Anyone else see the Corbyn interview on NATO yesterday?

Completely avoided questions when asked if we would stay in NATO and said he wanted NATO to be transferred into a non adversarial force!

Russia is invading Estonia! Don’t worry Estonia Corbyn is coming to paint white daisies on their tanks and sing peace songs until they get bored and go home!

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TonyC wrote:
Brevet Cable wrote:...(and May for being the second most useless PM ever - behind BoJo, of course)


Sorry, you seem to have forgotten Blair, then Gordon Brown, both of whom are well ahead in being the worst PM!

Bring back Maggie from the early eighties! :handbag:



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Nah.....Broon was screwed by a combination of Blair and the worldwide recession.
These days, I'd agree with Thatcher over any of the recent incumbents ( because she did actually do some things right )
And none of the previous PMs were as useless and divisive as May or BoJo, who were and are so fixated with Brexit that they divided the Country and ignored most other issues.
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Brevet Cable wrote:
TonyC wrote:
Brevet Cable wrote:...(and May for being the second most useless PM ever - behind BoJo, of course)


Sorry, you seem to have forgotten Blair, then Gordon Brown, both of whom are well ahead in being the worst PM!

Bring back Maggie from the early eighties! :handbag:



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Nah.....Broon was screwed by a combination of Blair and the worldwide recession.
These days, I'd agree with Thatcher over any of the recent incumbents ( because she did actually do some things right )
And none of the previous PMs were as useless and divisive as May or BoJo, who were and are so fixated with Brexit that they divided the Country and ignored most other issues.


Most? Why so generous Brevet?
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To be fair to him, BoJo does tell lots of lies about hospitals and the NHS, and the Police, so that's got to count..... :biggrin:
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Finningley Boy wrote:
Brevet Cable wrote:Can't answer for 'rockfordstone', but as you include me.....

Brexit?
It hasn't happened yet, so who's to say whether it was fear-mongering or not.

The Conservative Party?
Nope, more their leadership.....in which case, personal vitriol regarding BoJo for so many reasons that it would fill a book ( and May for being the second most useless PM ever - behind BoJo, of course )
If they actually had a decent leader I think more people would vote for them.

The Brexit Party ( and by extension, the earlier Farage cult which is UKIP )?
Out and out personal vitriol, and I make no apologies for it.

You'll also notice that I've slagged off Welsh Labour for being a bunch of useless, inept wastrels who waste money like it's going out of fashion.


Oh, and to turn things on their head, I'd say you're just as guilty when it comes to the Labour Party in general and Corbyn in particular.

With regard to you first response about Brexit. That's exactly the point, Rockfordstone, has attacked Southendnick for scaremongering about a Corbyn Government. He also got quite personal with some comment about whether he's a genuine individual or some kind of automaton or something like that. I've noticed with all the left leaning posters on here, they are invariably offensive posters, in one way or another. If it isn't responses such as Rockfordstone's, it'll be to question the rationale of the poster, quite deliberately.
But I'll stand by my own position, a Corbyn government would be bloody dreadful. Their spending plans alone couldn't be met without excessive borrowing and fa reaching cuts in other departments which don't traditionally enjoy much support or prominence with the left. I wonder who that might be?

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ok. I'll bite.

it was hardly an "attack". I didn't call him an automation, I called him a parody. perhaps you should read a bit more before responding. I'm sure he isn't fragile enough that it has upset him, but everything he posts is either an attack on labour or it is rolling out the tired old tropes.

As for my objectivity? well, I don't stand behind the cons or labour. the fact that the choice is between Corbyn and Johnsons is a failure in our politics and frankly, either choice is terrifying. neither of them will get my suppor.

he does, of course, have the right to an opinion, but if you are going to post an opinion online then be prepared to have it called out.

and I didn't accuse him of scaremongering. I responded to his doom and gloom post (again bashing Corbyn) in the way that he and many other Brexit supporters have attacked remainers with all too often, "project fear". as usual, people have missed the humour in the need to be offended by something. snowflakes the lot of you....

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Listen to this, and weep: https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fogarty/boris-johnson-wont-deliver-brexit-macron/

Still, she does say she won't be using her vote, so be thankful for small mercies...
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rockfordstone wrote:
Finningley Boy wrote:
Brevet Cable wrote:Can't answer for 'rockfordstone', but as you include me.....

Brexit?
It hasn't happened yet, so who's to say whether it was fear-mongering or not.

The Conservative Party?
Nope, more their leadership.....in which case, personal vitriol regarding BoJo for so many reasons that it would fill a book ( and May for being the second most useless PM ever - behind BoJo, of course )
If they actually had a decent leader I think more people would vote for them.

The Brexit Party ( and by extension, the earlier Farage cult which is UKIP )?
Out and out personal vitriol, and I make no apologies for it.

You'll also notice that I've slagged off Welsh Labour for being a bunch of useless, inept wastrels who waste money like it's going out of fashion.


Oh, and to turn things on their head, I'd say you're just as guilty when it comes to the Labour Party in general and Corbyn in particular.

With regard to you first response about Brexit. That's exactly the point, Rockfordstone, has attacked Southendnick for scaremongering about a Corbyn Government. He also got quite personal with some comment about whether he's a genuine individual or some kind of automaton or something like that. I've noticed with all the left leaning posters on here, they are invariably offensive posters, in one way or another. If it isn't responses such as Rockfordstone's, it'll be to question the rationale of the poster, quite deliberately.
But I'll stand by my own position, a Corbyn government would be bloody dreadful. Their spending plans alone couldn't be met without excessive borrowing and fa reaching cuts in other departments which don't traditionally enjoy much support or prominence with the left. I wonder who that might be?

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ok. I'll bite.

it was hardly an "attack". I didn't call him an automation, I called him a parody. perhaps you should read a bit more before responding. I'm sure he isn't fragile enough that it has upset him, but everything he posts is either an attack on labour or it is rolling out the tired old tropes.

As for my objectivity? well, I don't stand behind the cons or labour. the fact that the choice is between Corbyn and Johnsons is a failure in our politics and frankly, either choice is terrifying. neither of them will get my suppor.

he does, of course, have the right to an opinion, but if you are going to post an opinion online then be prepared to have it called out.

and I didn't accuse him of scaremongering. I responded to his doom and gloom post (again bashing Corbyn) in the way that he and many other Brexit supporters have attacked remainers with all too often, "project fear". as usual, people have missed the humour in the need to be offended by something. snowflakes the lot of you....


I couldn't remember what you called Southendnick I only recall it wasn't at all charitable and I wasn't going to stop typing to discard the post to go back and check what you said exactly.
A failure in politics, because you don't like two of the party leaders? So what would be a success in politics?

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