iainpeden wrote: ↑
Mon 09 Nov 2020, 1:16 pm
toom317 wrote: ↑
Mon 09 Nov 2020, 12:44 pm
Nice set of figures Iain, but that's only what we got under the formula. How much did the economies of Scotland, Ireland and Wales, contribute to the "UK" economy in 1993?
Lots and it was rather nice of the Scots to let the UK government have all that oil money to, shall we say, not make the best use of. Financially, however, the 3 smaller (in terms of area and population) tend to take out more than they put in.
You only have to look at the latest furlough expectations from Cardiff and Edinburgh - make up their own restrictions with consequent economic damage but expect the UK government to foot the bill. (NOT< NOT< NOT suggesting Boris' gang are above reproach or playing politics either.)
The U.K. Government is just that, though, the U.K. that includes Wales and Scotland. That’s not just English money.
Whilst you’re talking about furlough expectations; the U.K. Government decided not to grant furlough for Welsh lockdown despite it being requested (or Northern England), but brought it back at the drop of a hat the moment England as a whole went into lockdown. Not exactly fair. That’s cut through in Wales - my dad is deliberately disinterested in politics, but he’s fuming about that. Particularly as a friend of his was made redundant.
Wales had all of two working days where it was able to use furlough during its two week lockdown - the same lockdown that was advised by the scientists for England, But Westminster refused. Now Wales is out of lockdown, so the “expectation” or the bill to be footed is cheaper than that of England. Go even further, flip it around; how are Welsh people supposed to feel that Welsh pounds are being spent on a month long furlough in England, when a cheaper, half as long (for fewer people) furlough in Wales was rejected?
There are times when we are England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland, and there are times when we’re the United Kingdom.
All I’m saying is, it’s not as black and white as you make it out to be.
Also, I’m a bit foggy on this, so I’m happy to be corrected, but Wales doesn’t get anywhere near the amount of financial benefit that Scotland and NI get. I think something to do with the Barnett formula (though since doing a test on devolvement a couple of years ago I haven’t looked at it, so I’m not au fait). So many tropes about Scotland receiving more money than England can’t be accurately translated to Wales.