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As from tomorrow, Tuesday 14th January, Microsoft are no longer supporting Windows 7.

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Finally upgraded my PC to Windows 10 just last month. Held out as long as I could with Win7 as for me, it was by far the most stable and reliable version I've ever used.
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Yes and from a pov of working in the NHS in IT it's gonna cost billions to replace perfectly good PCs with Win10 versions. Some specialised items like barcode scanning systems only 6 years old with attached pcs will have to be be binned at a cost of £4k a pop :sad:

and peeps ask why the NHS wastes so much money?.....

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Won't cost billions, nonwithstanding the enhanced support packages that the NHS keep buying, there's huge discounts to be had on upgrading to Windows 10, especially on the scale the NHS needs to do it.

As for issues with barcode scanners, I've not yet come across hardware that works on Windows 7 but not 10. Some hardware built for Windows 98, XP, etc. doesn't work but then are you really surprised?! 7 and 10 aren't that dissimilar in terms of underlying architecture...

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cg_341 wrote:Won't cost billions, nonwithstanding the enhanced support packages that the NHS keep buying, there's huge discounts to be had on upgrading to Windows 10, especially on the scale the NHS needs to do it.

As for issues with barcode scanners, I've not yet come across hardware that works on Windows 7 but not 10. Some hardware built for Windows 98, XP, etc. doesn't work but then are you really surprised?! 7 and 10 aren't that dissimilar in terms of underlying architecture...

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as far as I know, all windows 7 drivers are retained within windows 10 so most equipment should be able to work. I've got a number of items with no drivers or software for windows 10 working flawlessly on my set up

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I have only one PC running W7 and that is only used for my weather station so I wont be changing that as it is behind a hardware firewall and never gets used for anything else. If this W7 PC does get updated it will be to Linux :biggrin: All my other 4 PCs run Linux so no problem there then :cool:

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Stuart, what Office equivalent software are you using?
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I had a few driver issues after the upgrade - most notably sound and graphics card, the latter causing the PC to crash when it was woken from sleep mode.

Downloaded Driver Booster 7 to find the latest versions and it found 14 which needed updating in all.
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I have just upgraded my 6 year old pc from windows 7 pro to windows 10 with no problems. It took 3 hours with minimal input from me and the final desktop looks exactly as before with the addition of the windows 10 apps block on start up.
So far everything is working as before.

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cg_341 wrote:Won't cost billions, nonwithstanding the enhanced support packages that the NHS keep buying, there's huge discounts to be had on upgrading to Windows 10, especially on the scale the NHS needs to do it.

As for issues with barcode scanners, I've not yet come across hardware that works on Windows 7 but not 10. Some hardware built for Windows 98, XP, etc. doesn't work but then are you really surprised?! 7 and 10 aren't that dissimilar in terms of underlying architecture...


I work in labs. They have a vast amount of automated blood etc testing equipment with embedded or dedicated PC's. Many were XP until a couple of years ago. All of these XP were thrown out at my site a couple of years ago in order to comply with W7 requirements. A lot of the equipment itself was perfectly OK but XP was the nail in the coffin (even after many were taken off the network)

And now it's all happening again with W7.

We have 15 barcode scanning systems which are W7 (having been purchased 5 years ago and only XP was available at the time, these cannot be upgraded further from W7) so there's a cost of £4k a pop.

I'm sure there is a lot of other equipment around the NHS in a similar position where it's not just a question of upgrading the PC to W10 to keep it running.

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We have 15 barcode scanning systems which are W7 (having been purchased 5 years ago and only XP was available at the time, these cannot be upgraded further from W7) so there's a cost of £4k a pop.


Barcode scanners are relatively cheap - starting at about £15, so how do you get to £4k each?
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Zoom wrote:All of these XP were thrown out at my site a couple of years ago in order to comply with W7 requirements.

A couple of years ago!? Windows 10 is nearly five years old, and a couple of years ago Windoed 7 was nearly a decade old! The waste there is because whoever looks after your systems doesn't bother to think ahead. It's not the fault of Microsoft...

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cg_341 wrote:
Zoom wrote:All of these XP were thrown out at my site a couple of years ago in order to comply with W7 requirements.

A couple of years ago!? Windows 10 is nearly five years old, and a couple of years ago Windoed 7 was nearly a decade old! The waste there is because whoever looks after your systems doesn't bother to think ahead. It's not the fault of Microsoft...


you clearly know nothing about IT systems in use in the NHS! there are literally thousands of different systems all built by small specialist suppliers. It's not a question of bothering to think ahead it's about what the supplier can have available at the time they are required to tender
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psquiddy wrote:
We have 15 barcode scanning systems which are W7 (having been purchased 5 years ago and only XP was available at the time, these cannot be upgraded further from W7) so there's a cost of £4k a pop.


Barcode scanners are relatively cheap - starting at about £15, so how do you get to £4k each?


barcode scanning system not a simple scanner, What I'm describing is a simplified version of a Tesco Express self checkout with an inbuilt PC and barcode scanner; but running bespoke specialist software from Canada

and also built on the UK South Coast too so not your usual mass produced item

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Zoom wrote:
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Zoom wrote:All of these XP were thrown out at my site a couple of years ago in order to comply with W7 requirements.

A couple of years ago!? Windows 10 is nearly five years old, and a couple of years ago Windoed 7 was nearly a decade old! The waste there is because whoever looks after your systems doesn't bother to think ahead. It's not the fault of Microsoft...


you clearly know nothing about IT systems in use in the NHS! there are literally thousands of different systems all built by small specialist suppliers. It's not a question of bothering to think ahead it's about what the supplier can have available at the time they are required to tender


How many of these systems are more than 5 years old? Smaller scale I know, but I've been checking the W10 capability of everything I've purchased for schools ever since it was released, given how clear it was that it would be sticking around.
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CJS wrote:
Zoom wrote:
cg_341 wrote:
Zoom wrote:All of these XP were thrown out at my site a couple of years ago in order to comply with W7 requirements.

A couple of years ago!? Windows 10 is nearly five years old, and a couple of years ago Windoed 7 was nearly a decade old! The waste there is because whoever looks after your systems doesn't bother to think ahead. It's not the fault of Microsoft...


you clearly know nothing about IT systems in use in the NHS! there are literally thousands of different systems all built by small specialist suppliers. It's not a question of bothering to think ahead it's about what the supplier can have available at the time they are required to tender


How many of these systems are more than 5 years old? Smaller scale I know, but I've been checking the W10 capability of everything I've purchased for schools ever since it was released, given how clear it was that it would be sticking around.


And with that reply you've just proven how ignorant the vast majority of us are (including myself) regarding IT system set-ups within the NHS.

I cannot believe that people on here are trying to tell someone who works within the NHS IT of how much things costs, what equipment they are using and that basically he doesn't know what he is talking about! :dizzy: :mad:

What a bunch of jumped up, egotistical, idiotic, keyboard warrior types you are :loser:

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Wryneck wrote:
CJS wrote:
Zoom wrote:
cg_341 wrote:
Zoom wrote:All of these XP were thrown out at my site a couple of years ago in order to comply with W7 requirements.

A couple of years ago!? Windows 10 is nearly five years old, and a couple of years ago Windoed 7 was nearly a decade old! The waste there is because whoever looks after your systems doesn't bother to think ahead. It's not the fault of Microsoft...


you clearly know nothing about IT systems in use in the NHS! there are literally thousands of different systems all built by small specialist suppliers. It's not a question of bothering to think ahead it's about what the supplier can have available at the time they are required to tender


How many of these systems are more than 5 years old? Smaller scale I know, but I've been checking the W10 capability of everything I've purchased for schools ever since it was released, given how clear it was that it would be sticking around.


And with that reply you've just proven how ignorant the vast majority of us are (including myself) regarding IT system set-ups within the NHS.

I cannot believe that people on here are trying to tell someone who works within the NHS IT of how much things costs, what equipment they are using and that basically he doesn't know what he is talking about! :dizzy: :mad:

What a bunch of jumped up, egotistical, idiotic, keyboard warrior types you are :loser:

Comparing a school IT system with the NHS set-up - funniest thing I've read in weeks, thanks Chris, you've made my day :up: :lmao:


What an odd response. I asked a question and I gave an example in a context that I understand. When did I ever suggest I knew anything about NHS IT systems?

Of course I don't. I also never made a comparison between the NHS and schools, other than to clearly point out it was on a smaller scale.

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I would suggest that your reply was many many times more amusing.
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Ah seems my work are still running Windows 7 having just checked.

Although I think some systems still use MS DOS, try and find people who can work that. Another Government department I worked for had MS DOS programmes, no mouse interface and all 'F' keys and code numbers that had to be remembered.

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Ewart wrote:Ah seems my work are still running Windows 7 having just checked.

Although I think some systems still use MS DOS, try and find people who can work that. Another Government department I worked for had MS DOS programmes, no mouse interface and all 'F' keys and code numbers that had to be remembered.


Probably almost entirely immune from viruses and hacking too!
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Our till system at work is still rocking windows XP :shock: :facepalm:
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timuss wrote:Our till system at work is still rocking windows XP :shock: :facepalm:


It's probably more secure than Windows 7 now, as I doubt very many hackers are still targeting it as a platform!

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jalfrezi wrote:
timuss wrote:Our till system at work is still rocking windows XP :shock: :facepalm:


It's probably more secure than Windows 7 now, as I doubt very many hackers are still targeting it as a platform!


It's quite a challenge trying to get remote support access for it as, no programs seem to run on it anymore.
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timuss wrote:
jalfrezi wrote:
timuss wrote:Our till system at work is still rocking windows XP :shock: :facepalm:


It's probably more secure than Windows 7 now, as I doubt very many hackers are still targeting it as a platform!


It's quite a challenge trying to get remote support access for it as, no programs seem to run on it anymore.


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Windows 7 is actually a much more “bloated” OS then windows 10. Windows 10 was designed for optimization and runs much more efficiently contrary to most people’s beliefs

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Pen Pusher wrote:As from tomorrow, Tuesday 14th January, Microsoft are no longer supporting Windows 7.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51090407

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