COVID-19: Your Thoughts and it's effects on you.

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IATthenRIAT wrote:
Sun 06 Sep 2020, 8:03 pm
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Coming back from London Liverpool Street to Cambridge on the train yesterday, lots of under 30's not wearing masks on the train but put them on to walk along the platforms. :rolling_eyes:
For me, the best ones are the people on their own, driving in their cars, and wearing a mask. And they’re not all taxi drivers either.
Or in restaurants having to wear masks to enter - then they take it down/off to eat or drink, whats that all about?
How can you eat and drink, when wearing a mask?

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Or in restaurants having to wear masks to enter - then they take it down/off to eat or drink, whats that all about?
How can you eat and drink, when wearing a mask?
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Exactly, so it kind of make no sense of being expected to wear one to enter the food establishment - kind of like "You are a danger and Must wear a mask - but your ok taking the mask off when you are eating/drinking"

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When you walk into a restaurant you are moving around passing over patrons and spreading your germs as you get to your table, hence the mask. Sitting down your in you are socially distanced in your own little bubble. On leaving you put the mask on again. Simples.
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Pen Pusher wrote:
Mon 07 Sep 2020, 6:54 am
When you walk into a restaurant you are moving around passing over patrons and spreading your germs as you get to your table, hence the mask. Sitting down your in you are socially distanced in your own little bubble. On leaving you put the mask on again. Simples.
And then the waitress or waiter comes up to your table and she isn’t wearing a mask, as happened in the restaurant I went to at lunchtime, which sort of burst our ‘bubble’ so to speak.
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The media is reporting an increase in positive test results - wasn't it 3000 yesterday and today? when the gov have said there are potentially tens if not hundreads of symptoms associated with corona virus, and they are also testing more people - would that not relate to an increase in positive results (not of people I'll with the virus - just positive reslults)
Is this not logical to everyone else its just plain science.

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The media is reporting an increase in positive test results - wasn't it 3000 yesterday and today? when the gov have said there are potentially tens if not hundreads of symptoms associated with corona virus, and they are also testing more people - would that not relate to an increase in positive results (not of people I'll with the virus - just positive reslults)
Is this not logical to everyone else its just plain science.
Surely the numbers have only ever been for those with the virus? That overall figure (what is it now, 47,000 or so?) has never included 'those who are actually sick' specifically, has it?

Our neighbours are fairly sure they had it - and reported themselves as such - but were never really 'ill'.

Forgive me, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make :dunno:
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Think he is saying an increase in testing will give an increase in positive results, even if some of those being tested don't even feel ill. Compared to the beginning of this, when the only tests were carried out in hospital when people were actually feeling ill. Daily cases were predicted to be over 100,000 daily!

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Think he is saying an increase in testing will give an increase in positive results, even if some of those being tested don't even feel ill. Compared to the beginning of this, when the only tests were carried out in hospital when people were actually feeling ill. Daily cases were predicted to be over 100,000 daily!
I’d be interested to know how many tests are carried out each day. At the moment, all we’re being told (as far as I can see) is the number of positive tests. On its own, though, I think that figure can be misleading. If you get say 2,500 positive tests out of 10,000 on one day (25%) and then 4,000 out of 20,000 the following day (20%), does that demonstrate things are getting worse or better?
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I did see a graph somewhere, can't remember where or if it was accurate, that showed positive covid tests being about 40% at the peak, to well into single figures now.

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ted633 wrote:
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I did see a graph somewhere, can't remember where or if it was accurate, that showed positive covid tests being about 40% at the peak, to well into single figures now.
I’ve done some digging on the Gov.uk and ONS websites - the 2,948 positive tests yesterday (Monday) were from a total of 350,100 tests (0.8%).
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If you get say 2,500 positive tests out of 10,000 on one day (25%) and then 4,000 out of 20,000 the following day (20%), does that demonstrate things are getting worse or better?
Yes :crazy_face:
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Here we go again - Lockdown Two.

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Glad that I do not live in the UK anymore.

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IATthenRIAT wrote:
Tue 08 Sep 2020, 10:56 pm
Here we go again - Lockdown Two.
Hardly. Groups of more than 6 meeting together to be banned in England isn't the same as 'lockdown 2' now, is it?

"...it will not apply to schools, workplaces or Covid-secure weddings, funerals and organised team sports."

"Several exemptions apply to the new rules - which come into force on 14 September - with households and support bubbles bigger than six people unaffected."

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. If you remember, back at the end of March we weren't allowed out at all apart from once a day to exercise or to go food shopping, and pretty much everything was shut.

This isn't a lockdown, it's a measure being taken to try and prevent another lockdown.

And be honest, when was the last time you met up with more than 5 other people who weren't in one of the groups mentioned above? Or is that just me?!
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And be honest, when was the last time you met up with more than 5 other people who weren't in one of the groups mentioned above? Or is that just me?!
Literally every aviation event I'd go to?

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:grinning: :grinning: Boris seems to be full of err,err,err,today,nice to know some things do not change. :grinning: :grinning:

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IATthenRIAT wrote:
Wed 09 Sep 2020, 6:26 pm
Dont know what to make of this -
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... s-12064151
the most important part of that story is at the end where it states the research is yet to be peer reviewed

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IATthenRIAT wrote:
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Dont know what to make of this -
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... s-12064151
Nothing, the story is nearly a week old, move on
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cg_341 wrote:
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And be honest, when was the last time you met up with more than 5 other people who weren't in one of the groups mentioned above? Or is that just me?!
Literally every aviation event I'd go to?
True, but they're not exactly happening regularly any more. I take your point though :up:
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CJS wrote:
Wed 09 Sep 2020, 5:43 am
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Here we go again - Lockdown Two.
And be honest, when was the last time you met up with more than 5 other people who weren't in one of the groups mentioned above? Or is that just me?!
Two families of two adults and two children will no longer be able to meet. I think it will make a huge difference to them. The one scrap of normality for my two kids removed.

Ironically, some of those family groups are work colleagues with similar age children and others are as a result of getting to know the parents of the kids friends. So those families will still be mixing, though not all directly, through the school and work place.

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pb643 wrote:
Thu 10 Sep 2020, 5:37 am
CJS wrote:
Wed 09 Sep 2020, 5:43 am
IATthenRIAT wrote:
Tue 08 Sep 2020, 10:56 pm
Here we go again - Lockdown Two.
And be honest, when was the last time you met up with more than 5 other people who weren't in one of the groups mentioned above? Or is that just me?!
Two families of two adults and two children will no longer be able to meet. I think it will make a huge difference to them. The one scrap of normality for my two kids removed.

Ironically, some of those family groups are work colleagues with similar age children and others are as a result of getting to know the parents of the kids friends. So those families will still be mixing, though not all directly, through the school and work place.
Do you know what, I thought it didn't include kids in the numbers. Sorry everyone, my bad.
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CJS wrote:
Thu 10 Sep 2020, 5:51 am
pb643 wrote:
Thu 10 Sep 2020, 5:37 am
CJS wrote:
Wed 09 Sep 2020, 5:43 am
IATthenRIAT wrote:
Tue 08 Sep 2020, 10:56 pm
Here we go again - Lockdown Two.
And be honest, when was the last time you met up with more than 5 other people who weren't in one of the groups mentioned above? Or is that just me?!
Two families of two adults and two children will no longer be able to meet. I think it will make a huge difference to them. The one scrap of normality for my two kids removed.

Ironically, some of those family groups are work colleagues with similar age children and others are as a result of getting to know the parents of the kids friends. So those families will still be mixing, though not all directly, through the school and work place.
Do you know what, I thought it didn't include kids in the numbers. Sorry everyone, my bad.
I'm assuming it does, so you may be correct? I will check.

I appreciate there has to be a line drawn, but I don't see the logic of this one. I would consider going to meet 5 friends in the pub, who then all go back home to their own families, potentially far riskier than two family groups. Of course, there is nothing to stop me from meeting 5 friends in the pub at 7 pm, a different 5 at 7.30 pm, etc, etc.... Then all of us stumbling home to endless family groups. I admire the Welsh approach, permanent family groups you choose to socialise with that do not change. Very logical.

Equally the differentiation between indoors and outdoors has been lost again, another illogical decision.

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Yes, it does include children. My wife and I have three kids, so we technically can’t go and see my fit and healthy 69 year old parents together anymore as that will be 7 people. I could though go and meet five people from different households in the pub and then we could go and stay in an air bnb in a different part of the country. Five people from different households could also gather with my 97 year old grandfather. There are of course masses of variations on every situation and drawing a line somewhere is very difficult, I appreciate that. But it does make very low risk activities illegal whilst keeping open many much higher risk activities.

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It’s impossible to draft any set of rules or guidelines in an instance like this that will be wholly logical without going into a level of detail that would make them even more incomprehensible than they already are.

The comment above about meeting different sets of people in the pub at different times is a great example. How do you capture that in a set of rules that anyone could possibly comprehend?

How about: “You can meet socially with no more than 6 people at any one time and once you’ve finished meeting with them you must not meet with any other group of no more than 6 people until at least 60 minutes afterwards, and only providing that the second group of people you’re meeting with also has not met with any other group of less than 6 people - excluding members of their own family group - for at least 60 minutes previously. For the avoidance of doubt, time spent with work colleagues, providing it is in a work and not a social setting, prior to any social meeting with them does not count as time spent previously with a group of not more than 6 people for the purpose of this rule. Breaches of this rule will result in a fine of up to £1,000 although how on earth anyone will know, let alone prove, you’ve breached it is anyone’s guess”?
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