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RAF4EVER wrote:
Wed 18 Nov 2020, 11:36 am
iainpeden wrote:
Wed 18 Nov 2020, 7:56 am
roger wrote:
Wed 18 Nov 2020, 12:07 am
The virus needs a host cell in order to replicate. Outside of a host cell the individual particle can survive for several days in the right conditions. And as a technicality, having no DNA they are not really living organisms.
I'm being deliberately obtuse here but maybe we should say it's life in a different way to what we as a carbon based unit understand.

(totally ruining my argument here but I think of the Horta in "Devil in the Dark {Star Trek} which was a silicon based life form - would that have DNA?)

To quote Star Trek: Its Life Jim but not as we know it. :grin: :grin:
I think it applies to the discussions on here at times as well!!! :wink:

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I think I know who you mean. :expressionless:

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RAF4EVER wrote:
Wed 18 Nov 2020, 8:37 pm
I think I know who you mean. :expressionless:
Wonder who you could mean :thinking:

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That is for me to know,and you to find out.

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Things are really looking up this morning. It looks like we’ll be able to meet up with a maximum of three households over Christmas, not the anticipated two.

What’s the betting the downside will be extending (sorry re-branding) the lockdown until 20 December?
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Ken Shabby wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 9:32 am
Things are really looking up this morning. It looks like we’ll be able to meet up with a maximum of three households over Christmas, not the anticipated two.

What’s the betting the downside will be extending (sorry re-branding) the lockdown until 20 December?
hasn't the science said yesterday that at the current rate, for every day we leave lockdown at current we will need another 5 in lockdown to compensate.
i get Christmas is important to many, but if the risk is still high, it would be daft to allow people out for it. who's going to monitor the 3 households? are they really going to punish people who have 4 households?

there is no logic in breaking a lockdown just for christmas. it makes the lockdown running up to it pointless if we just piss all the good work up the wall

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rockfordstone wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 10:17 am
Ken Shabby wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 9:32 am
Things are really looking up this morning. It looks like we’ll be able to meet up with a maximum of three households over Christmas, not the anticipated two.

What’s the betting the downside will be extending (sorry re-branding) the lockdown until 20 December?
hasn't the science said yesterday that at the current rate, for every day we leave lockdown at current we will need another 5 in lockdown to compensate.
i get Christmas is important to many, but if the risk is still high, it would be daft to allow people out for it. who's going to monitor the 3 households? are they really going to punish people who have 4 households?

there is no logic in breaking a lockdown just for christmas. it makes the lockdown running up to it pointless if we just piss all the good work up the wall
unfortunately this government cannot see the wood for the magic money trees

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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Professor Gabriel Scally, a public health expert at Bristol University, today slammed the proposals, warning there was 'no point' in having a very merry Christmas only to 'then bury friends and relations in January and February'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ntist.html
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Pen Pusher wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 12:48 pm
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Professor Gabriel Scally, a public health expert at Bristol University, today slammed the proposals, warning there was 'no point' in having a very merry Christmas only to 'then bury friends and relations in January and February'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ntist.html
He was obviously very keen to write the Fail’s headline for them. So how long does he want the lockdown to go on?
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You'll never be able to stop families from seeing each other at Christmas - you just wont.

Its the main holiday season of the year and for some families the only time to see everyone and I think the government realise this by saying about relaxing rules for the xmas period, they simply wont be able to police it.
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Ken Shabby wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 1:50 pm
Pen Pusher wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 12:48 pm
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Professor Gabriel Scally, a public health expert at Bristol University, today slammed the proposals, warning there was 'no point' in having a very merry Christmas only to 'then bury friends and relations in January and February'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ntist.html
He was obviously very keen to write the Fail’s headline for them. So how long does he want the lockdown to go on?
Of course the alternative is to have a not-very merry Christmas and then bury friends and relations in January and February anyway. Do these people live in some world where death is some sort of aberration?

Of course there'll be some people that would be killed by viruses caught from family over Christmas (as there is every year), but the vast majority of people who are dying of Covid are unlikely to make it to next Christmas anyway.

Of course, if someone is frightened of the disease I would never criticise them for staying at home and missing a family get together. I would definitely criticise them for saying I should be compelled to do so though.

The Pandemic was over in June.


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MiG_Eater wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 3:17 pm
Ken Shabby wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 1:50 pm
Pen Pusher wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 12:48 pm
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Professor Gabriel Scally, a public health expert at Bristol University, today slammed the proposals, warning there was 'no point' in having a very merry Christmas only to 'then bury friends and relations in January and February'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ntist.html
He was obviously very keen to write the Fail’s headline for them. So how long does he want the lockdown to go on?
Of course the alternative is to have a not-very merry Christmas and then bury friends and relations in January and February anyway. Do these people live in some world where death is some sort of aberration?

Of course there'll be some people that would be killed by viruses caught from family over Christmas (as there is every year), but the vast majority of people who are dying of Covid are unlikely to make it to next Christmas anyway.

Of course, if someone is frightened of the disease I would never criticise them for staying at home and missing a family get together. I would definitely criticise them for saying I should be compelled to do so though.

The Pandemic was over in June.

Nothing quite like topping off a big pile of gibberish with some talkradio icing nonsense.

Of course, if someone is frightened of drink driving I would never criticise them for getting a taxi and actually getting home to their family. I would definitely criticise them for compelling me to get into the car on their death trip with them though.

The pandemic isn't even half way through yet, and people like you are going to ensure it's around a lot longer.

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MiG_Eater wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 3:17 pm
Ken Shabby wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 1:50 pm
Pen Pusher wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 12:48 pm
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Professor Gabriel Scally, a public health expert at Bristol University, today slammed the proposals, warning there was 'no point' in having a very merry Christmas only to 'then bury friends and relations in January and February'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ntist.html
He was obviously very keen to write the Fail’s headline for them. So how long does he want the lockdown to go on?
Of course the alternative is to have a not-very merry Christmas and then bury friends and relations in January and February anyway. Do these people live in some world where death is some sort of aberration?

Of course there'll be some people that would be killed by viruses caught from family over Christmas (as there is every year), but the vast majority of people who are dying of Covid are unlikely to make it to next Christmas anyway.

Of course, if someone is frightened of the disease I would never criticise them for staying at home and missing a family get together. I would definitely criticise them for saying I should be compelled to do so though.

The Pandemic was over in June.

Oh, come come. It’s a well known fact that COVID-19 is one of the biggest causes of death in this country; it wouldn’t be all over the newspapers and TV if it wasn’t. Look at all those students who got it and were locked away in their university. I’d imagine they’re all dead or in hospital by now. If we don’t get control of COVID it will run rampant and the number of people under 50 without an underlying medical condition who die from it could double and reach nearly 700. The Nightingale hospitals will be full to bursting like they were back in the spring and the percentage of the UK's population who aren't seriously ill with COVID will plummet from its current figure of 99.8%.

And, I’m sorry, but death is an aberration. We must do everything we can to eliminate its possibility. And if that means destroying the economy, making millions unemployed, locking ourselves away and only going out to go to work, then that’s the price we must pay. And I’d remind you that going out to visit your loved ones is a privilege, not a right.

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Quite a striking poll:



I thought a hell of a lot more would be happy to sacrifice further lockdown for a day of Christmas get together.

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Tommy wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 6:10 pm
Quite a striking poll:



I thought a hell of a lot more would be happy to sacrifice further lockdown for a day of Christmas get together.
what sort of lockdown is it though? it doesn't say? actual lock down? or everyone at work and school and driving around going to the park and tesco lockdown?

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I wouldn't be surprised if come Christmas week UKG put out cartoon posters saying "Stay Home or Granny gets it!"

Interesting news coming from Scotland that they have decided to unilaterally close their borders with the rest of the UK from tomorrow irrespective of the law of the UK and also the CTA

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Tommy wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 6:10 pm
Quite a striking poll:



I thought a hell of a lot more would be happy to sacrifice further lockdown for a day of Christmas get together.
The trouble with a question like that is that people look at what their ‘requirement’ for freedom is over Christmas is and will answer accordingly. So if you would only have mum and dad round on Christmas Day and nan on Boxing Day (grandad succumbed to COVID back in the spring), you’ll say two. You’re staying in the rest of the time, so you’ve no need for freedom on any more days.

I’d be interested to see the ‘science’ on which the one equals five ratio has been worked out. I hope SAGE haven’t assumed the majority of us engage in some sort of orgiastic partying and shopping frenzy over the the Christmas period. A hell of a lot of people live like hermits - the shops are shut, few people go to work and only the clinically insane go shopping. It’s not a million miles away from having a national lockdown.
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Also how can you have a poll with 116%?

You can read this as 76% don't want to be in lockdown over Xmas.

It's all down to how you spin the facts.
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Ken Shabby wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 7:00 pm
Tommy wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 6:10 pm
Quite a striking poll:



I thought a hell of a lot more would be happy to sacrifice further lockdown for a day of Christmas get together.
The trouble with a question like that is that people look at what their ‘requirement’ for freedom is over Christmas is and will answer accordingly. So if you would only have mum and dad round on Christmas Day and nan on Boxing Day (grandad succumbed to COVID back in the spring), you’ll say two. You’re staying in the rest of the time, so you’ve no need for freedom on any more days.

I’d be interested to see the ‘science’ on which the one equals five ratio has been worked out. I hope SAGE haven’t assumed the majority of us engage in some sort of orgiastic partying and shopping frenzy over the the Christmas period. A hell of a lot of people live like hermits - the shops are shut, few people go to work and only the clinically insane go shopping. It’s not a million miles away from having a national lockdown.
Also - and I don't think this is news - people lie in polls. I suspect there are many who are putting their input anywhere while thinking privately that they will do as they will: and many of those who have said they will sacrifice nothing, mean that they are not going to do a trade and if the government thinks they will trade away their freedom in return for what they intend to take anyway, it may take a running jump.

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rdchawk wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 7:26 pm
Also how can you have a poll with 116%?

You can read this as 76% don't want to be in lockdown over Xmas.

It's all down to how you spin the facts.
It doesn't add up to 116% The values for 1 day, 2 day etc are simply a breakdown of the "At least 1 day" 38%. Presumably22% said "don't know".

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Talking of statistics!

Look East had a report this evening, which I half listened to, that Herts CC had completed a survey as to where people where catching the virus; I don't know the timescale but these figures (give or take) came out of it.

30% while shopping
10% in hospital
10% socialising
5% gyms and exercise.
(happy to be corrected if anybody can find the actual figures)
It was very clear that shopping was the worst spreader, people not wearing masks, spreading through touch and so on.
(Mark Twain: There are lies, there are damn lies and then there are statistics)

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iainpeden wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 10:29 pm
Talking of statistics!

Look East had a report this evening, which I half listened to, that Herts CC had completed a survey as to where people where catching the virus; I don't know the timescale but these figures (give or take) came out of it.

30% while shopping
10% in hospital
10% socialising
5% gyms and exercise.
(happy to be corrected if anybody can find the actual figures)
It was very clear that shopping was the worst spreader, people not wearing masks, spreading through touch and so on.
The Sky News website quotes the following Public Health England data today. I’m not sure what dates it refers to but presumably it’s pre-lockdown in England as pubs, restaurants and gyms are included and they’re all shut now.

Supermarket - 18.3%

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Secondary school - 12.7%

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Primary school - 10.1%

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Hospital - 3.6%

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Care home - 2.8%

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College - 2.4%

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Warehouse - 2.2%

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Nursery preschool - 1.8%

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Pub or bar - 1.6%

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Hospitality - 1.5%

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University - 1.4%

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Manufacture engineering - 1.4%

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Household fewer than five - 1.2%

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General practice - 1.1%

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Gym - 1.1%

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Restaurant or cafe - 1.0%


To me it looks like if we’d followed the science and shut Tesco, Sainsbury and all the schools and started getting pi**** down the pub again, we’d have got this thing cracked. (Seriously, you can understand why people in the hospitality industry are so peed off about lockdown.)

And if you want to stay completely safe, best buy yourself a bus pass and ride round on the bus all day.
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Ken Shabby wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 10:49 pm
iainpeden wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020, 10:29 pm
Talking of statistics!

Look East had a report this evening, which I half listened to, that Herts CC had completed a survey as to where people where catching the virus; I don't know the timescale but these figures (give or take) came out of it.

30% while shopping
10% in hospital
10% socialising
5% gyms and exercise.
(happy to be corrected if anybody can find the actual figures)
It was very clear that shopping was the worst spreader, people not wearing masks, spreading through touch and so on.
The Sky News website quotes the following Public Health England data today. I’m not sure what dates it refers to but presumably it’s pre-lockdown in England as pubs, restaurants and gyms are included and they’re all shut now.

Supermarket - 18.3%

​
Secondary school - 12.7%

​
Primary school - 10.1%

​
Hospital - 3.6%

​
Care home - 2.8%

​
College - 2.4%

​
Warehouse - 2.2%

​
Nursery preschool - 1.8%

​
Pub or bar - 1.6%

​
Hospitality - 1.5%

​
University - 1.4%

​
Manufacture engineering - 1.4%

​
Household fewer than five - 1.2%

​
General practice - 1.1%

​
Gym - 1.1%

​
Restaurant or cafe - 1.0%


To me it looks like if we follow the science and shut Tesco, Sainsbury and all the schools and start getting pi**** down the pub again, we’ve got this thing cracked. And if you want to stay completely safe, buy yourself a bus pass and ride round on the bus all day.
And birding - spotting - fishing - golf - surfing - canoeing - fellwalking (including on Snowdon) or anything except maybe contact team sports anywhere else outside: big fat zero...... no reason to limit travel for leisure activities.

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The PHE Twitter feed has a pinned tweet to clarify some of today's reporting:

"Isabel Oliver, Director of the National Infection Service at Public Health England, addresses inaccuracies that supermarkets are causing #COVID19 to spread:.."

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How long can the virus stay inside a person making them infectious to others - is it 28 days?
If so - if people want to have family with them over christmas - why dont all parties that will be staying together just isolate for the 28 days before getting together with loved ones over christmas - and stay together for 28 days to make double sure they will not be passing it on from loved ones when they returned home etc.

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