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I see Santa has outsourced his deliveries this year, to some company called "The Four Horsemen". :horse: :horse: :biohazard: :horse: :horse:
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Mon 23 Nov 2020, 11:09 am
I see Santa has outsourced his deliveries this year, to some company called "The Four Horsemen". :horse: :horse: :biohazard: :horse: :horse:
That’s still Santa. Four Horseman is a subsidiary of Santa Presents International GA which is wholly owned by Santa. Christmas present deliveries in Australia and the Americas have been handled by Four Horseman for some years now but they’re doing Europe and Asia now instead of SPI.

I think it’s something to do with SPI bidding for the WHO contract for delivering the supplies of the COVID vaccines. I’d imagine Santa will want to keep SPI’s delivery systems free for that and not have them distracted with the Christmas presents work.
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Has this morphed into the Great Reset thread?

Anyway somewhere, sometime (not in a galaxy far, far away) the question was raised about how come Covid vaccines have been developed so quickly: the following explains much.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55041371
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iainpeden wrote:
Mon 23 Nov 2020, 11:57 am
Has this morphed into the Great Reset thread?

Anyway somewhere, sometime (not in a galaxy far, far away) the question was raised about how come Covid vaccines have been developed so quickly: the following explains much.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55041371
Excellent article, although they’ll be some who’ll read it and then go on Facebook to say anyone who has it will turn into a chimpanzee. I’ve been eating McDonalds all my life and have yet to turn into a cow, although I’m getting there size-wise.
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Ken Shabby wrote:
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iainpeden wrote:
Mon 23 Nov 2020, 11:57 am
Has this morphed into the Great Reset thread?

Anyway somewhere, sometime (not in a galaxy far, far away) the question was raised about how come Covid vaccines have been developed so quickly: the following explains much.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55041371
Excellent article, although they’ll be some who’ll read it and then go on Facebook to say anyone who has it will turn into a chimpanzee. I’ve been eating McDonalds all my life and have yet to turn into a cow, although I’m getting there size-wise.
i tried to explain to someone on twitter that they didnt just magic it out of nowhere and were probably using other coronaviruses such as a sars as a starting point. he believed it was all conspiracy and it was impossible to produce it so fast

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The Oxford / AstraZeneca vaccine news could have been better. Can't see the UK giving it to their population just yet rather than either of the 2 mRNA ones.

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But by adjusting the dose, they also expect 90% effectiveness. Even with the current results, it is a far cheaper, quicker to produce and easier to store & distribute compared to the others.
70% effectiveness is still pretty damn good anyway, better than the annual flu jab

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£3 for the Oxford vaccine as opposed to £15 and £25 for the other leaders, and it can be stored at normal medical temperatures.

So far everybody goes on about 90% as if it’s per individual, the chances are that once even 10% are vaccinated and hopefully become less or non infectious the R number will reduce and so not only will we have protection against Covid but also less chance of being exposed in the first place.
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iainpeden wrote:
Mon 23 Nov 2020, 11:57 am
Has this morphed into the Great Reset thread?

Anyway somewhere, sometime (not in a galaxy far, far away) the question was raised about how come Covid vaccines have been developed so quickly: the following explains much.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55041371
Just a bit of humour Iain, but your link was an interesting read. I was wondering how they had got this far so quickly.
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ted633 wrote:
Mon 23 Nov 2020, 1:01 pm
But by adjusting the dose, they also expect 90% effectiveness. Even with the current results, it is a far cheaper, quicker to produce and easier to store & distribute compared to the others.
70% effectiveness is still pretty damn good anyway, better than the annual flu jab
I dunno; it seems a bit more antiquated compared to the mRNA ones (derived from a chimpanzee cold virus). Sadly it will probably get sent to developing countries due to its cheapness and ease of storage while the Western world squabble over stocks of the others.

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Whilst I'm no scientist or economist, it seems the AstraZeneca one is far more efficient price wise, capability for easy storage, and far more ethical.

A few months ago I was chatting to a lad who works for AstraZeneca and he was stating that there had been so many cyber attacks on their systems over the past year with other companies and countries trying to steal and thwart the attempts to develop a vaccine as companies could see the profit that could be made if they are the first to distribute a product that everyone in the world wants.
The Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are sold at profit and much of their projected supply for next year has been secured by richer nations. By contrast, AstraZeneca, along with Johnson & Johnson, has said it will sell its inoculation at cost to the world during the pandemic. J&J trials are continuing.

The jab is priced at about $3 to $4 a dose, supply deals suggest, a fraction of the price of other vaccines. The vaccine can be stored long-term at normal fridge temperature, between 2C and 8C; other treatments require a storage temperature as low as minus 70C.
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we are talking about 30 volunteers who took the OU/AZ vaccine and contracted Covid; how many of them had the 2 full doses and how many had the 1/2 dose first?

As others have said 90% along with its cheapness and ease of use is probably a game changer but I think they have jumped the gun with their results a bit.

The interim analysis of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine says it has a 70% efficacy rate - but 90% for those given a half dose and then a full dose, rather than two full doses like the others. Explaining why this might be the case, Prof Peter Openshaw, professor of experimental medicine at Imperial College London, told Sky News earlier:

There is a well-known phenomenon which is called high-dose tolerance. This is a live vector, rather than just an antigen. It could be that it is inducing what we call regulatory T-cells , so that these T-cells could be putting a brake on the system if you go in too hard to begin with.

The immune system is a very complicated thing. It has to balance up the, sort of, go pedal and the stop pedal, and get the two just right. So there’s certainly something about the immunology of this that will explain it. It is not unprecedented at all.

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This is worth half an hour of your time to listen to (while having a well deserved cup of tea/scanning old airshow slides/fettling a model {plastic!}).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000py6v
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Folks want to ask you opinion please, I spoke to my doctor today and because of my weak Immune system even he said it might not be a very good Idea me having a covid vaccine jab, what concerns me as its looking possible that transport companies and perhaps even RIAT them selves, might require proof that you have had the covid injection before you are allowed travel or entry, where does that place me or others in the same boat - is that not a form of discrimination when its not mine or others fault for having an underlying health condition making having a jab too risky.

Please sensible answers no flaming remarks.

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This isn't intended as anything other than a question, but why would a weakened immune system mean you shouldn't have it? Surely, if anything, it should mean even more that you should have it?

I'm not a scientist, so I expect I'm missing something, but the most vulnerable in our society, including those in care homes, many of whom presumably have weekend immune systems, are top of the list aren't they?

My 96 year old grandfather's in this position and my mum and auntie have just signed something saying he can have it as soon as his care home gets some.
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IATthenRIAT wrote:
Tue 24 Nov 2020, 1:33 am
Folks want to ask you opinion please, I spoke to my doctor today and because of my weak Immune system even he said it might not be a very good Idea me having a covid vaccine jab, what concerns me as its looking possible that transport companies and perhaps even RIAT them selves, might require proof that you have had the covid injection before you are allowed travel or entry, where does that place me or others in the same boat - is that not a form of discrimination when its not mine or others fault for having an underlying health condition making having a jab too risky.

Please sensible answers no flaming remarks.
Did you ask your Doctor WHY they think it's not a very good idea that you get vaccinated?
There must be a reason.

If you don't mind me asking - I think you mentioned you suffer from COPD in the Past? Do you attend Hospital on a regular / fairly regular basis and see a Consultant / Specialist for this or any other 'underlying' condition that puts you in the vulnerable group? (for example someone with Arthritis might see a Rheumatologist, & although they are under the care of their own Doctor, the Rheumatologist can still prescribe medication / treatment outside that of their Doctor) - If so, ask them their opinion?

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Trials are underway for a 'treatment' for people with suppressed / compromised immune systems, this was mentioned by the BBC recently - they're even looking for volunteers for the trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55022288
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As I understand it, all the vaccine candidates prompt your own immune system to create Covid-19 antibodies. If you have a suppressed immune system (as does my father) your body has a poor ability, and in some cases no ability, to make antibodies, hence the vaccine won't work.

Hence the alternative under development highlighted by Howard (NAM), which is direct injection of Covid-19 antibodies produced in somebody else. My father and I are seeing his Immunology Consultant on Friday and will be asking exactly the same question - should he get the vaccine next month when offered (he's in the highest possible risk group) or wait and get the antibody jab (or indeed, volunteer for the trials of it).

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ItR - I'm not a scientist either but have read that there is concern that the vaccines may send an immune system into overdrive and that a weakened immune system may not cope. Remember in April/June time there was speculation that so much lung damage was being caused by the virus super stimulating the immune system.
I heard last night that Quantas have said they'll not allow travel on their a/c for anybody who has not been vaccinated - that might be a rumour but not unexpected if true.
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the large events element is promising. shoots of hope for the airshow circuit next year

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roger wrote:
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Hence the alternative under development highlighted by Howard (NAM), which is direct injection of Covid-19 antibodies produced in somebody else.
i believe they are already asking for volunteers who have had the virus to provide plasma etc for that very reason. i've heard radio adverts about it.

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rockfordstone wrote:
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i believe they are already asking for volunteers who have had the virus to provide plasma etc for that very reason. i've heard radio adverts about it.
Yes, my understanding is that the plasma treatment has been a therapeutic option for Covid for a number of months, it's been mentioned to me when I've given blood this year i.e. have you had Covid & if so would you be prepared to give plasma etc.

The trial that I provided the link to is a slightly different approach, but one of many therapies that are being investigated; all bringing back lots of memories of working in pharmaceutical research.
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I've seen these graphics before from this government, remember the traffic light system for leaving lockdown? Totally forgotten after a week. This will be no different I imagine.

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Thank you for the replies - it is a genuine question, I have been under care by the hospital for my condition I have had this condition most of my life due to poor lung functions and a lower immune system, we have been able to fine tune it with a combination of drugs and high strength vitamins.
Yes the doctor mentioned that the vaccine could send my own limited immune system in overdrive and interupt the fine balance I have been trying for years to reach - that to me is Very Important.

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