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iainpeden wrote:
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The link below takes you to a graph buried on the BBC website and shows a different scenario based on how things are panning out in France and Spain, in addition to the one Whitty tried to scare the nation with yesterday.

I don’t know if it’s been given much publicity; please tell me if it has and I’ll shut up. But if it hasn’t, why not?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpspr ... sep-nc.png
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A very interesting graph. The cynical side of me says that the "least worst scenario" is not being shown so that the PM can say "look this is what actually happened because I did the right thing." Not sure I have a non-cynical view at the moment.

As for the discussion on population/birth control, I thought I'd add my two-pennath. I'd suggest that most people would agree that the Earth has reached, or is close to reaching, its maximum human population, apart from anything else unless the increasing meat requirement is reduced it will mean that the population will not be able to be fed if current diet patterns continue. There's also the huge and increasing, and possibly irreversible, damage to the planet's climate and all the other species which live here. A while ago - and before covid - I suggested the only way this planet would survive would be for a virus to hit, heavily, the human race - and had a few people agreeing. (bit of a David Icke moment there!)

I was listening to Genesis' Foxtrot at the gym this morning and this line jumped out:
"This is the end of man's long union with Earth" - the whole song could have been written with the current crisis in mind.

As ever, listen to Radio 4s "More or Less" which puts a lot of meat on the message that that graph shows.
Thanks Iain.

On the subject of world population, for any virus to have a serious impact, the death rate would have to be very high. COVID-19 (fortunately) won’t even scratch the surface. To give some indication of what would be required, for the UK alone the ONS website shows that in 2018 births totalled 731K compared with 616K deaths. I’d imagine that sort of growth is reflected across the globe - I’m not aware of any countries with declining populations. So, given that COVID preys mostly on the old and those already sick, it needs to up its death rate and branch out into killing the young and fit if it’s to start driving the world’s population down.

Mr Icke will need his shape-shifting reptilians to turn nasty to achieve that, I think!

(I do recall reading once that, in the last century, the deaths in the First and Second World Wars, and from the 1919-20s Spanish Flu (50 million), barely caused a blip in the upward trend of world population numbers.)
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by vandal » Wed 23 Sep 2020, 7:13 pm

roger wrote: ↑Wed 23 Sep 2020, 6:09 pm
by iainpeden » Wed 23 Sep 2020, 5:47 pm

I think all take away shops can continue to operate. That’s why I think alcohol off sales should cease so the socialising doesn’t just move from controlled pub to uncontrolled home - the cause of one of the current university outbreaks.
According to the Government website https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coro ... -september all shops selling food and drink, including takeaways, must be closed by 10pm, although they can continue to deliver after this. The wording of the Govt statement doesn't mention supermarkets, so I assume they can continue to sell food and drink including booze after 10pm?
Not sure about the rest of the UK but sales of alcohol from supermarkets / shops in Scotland are not permitted after 10pm.
The 24hr sale of booze by licensed shops & off-licenses is legal in England and Wales. However many supermarkets that were 24hr opening (e.g. my local Tesco) have chosen to close at 10 or 11pm during the pandemic. It might be wise for the 11pm ones (e.g. my local Tesco) to switch to 10pm.

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With the Large supermarkets expected to face panic buying again, surely there is more the supermarket staff could do to stop bulk buying so enough stock will go round everyone who needs it - say at checkout refusing someone who rolls up with a trolley full of Loo roll or other bulk buys.

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With the Large supermarkets expected to face panic buying again, surely there is more the supermarket staff could do to stop bulk buying so enough stock will go round everyone who needs it - say at checkout refusing someone who rolls up with a trolley full of Loo roll or other bulk buys.
It's exactly what the supermarkets round here eventually did last time to stop the panic buying. I think our local Waitrose had a 3-item limit, and that meant a max of three packets of biscuits, not three packets of each type of biscuit! Out local Lidl allowed only two 4-pint bottles of milk, per customer. So I would expect them to be able to quickly roll out the same thing again.

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roger wrote:
Wed 23 Sep 2020, 8:56 pm
Unread post by IATthenRIAT » Wed 23 Sep 2020, 9:50 pm

With the Large supermarkets expected to face panic buying again, surely there is more the supermarket staff could do to stop bulk buying so enough stock will go round everyone who needs it - say at checkout refusing someone who rolls up with a trolley full of Loo roll or other bulk buys.
It's exactly what the supermarkets round here eventually did last time to stop the panic buying. I think our local Waitrose had a 3-item limit, and that meant a max of three packets of biscuits, not three packets of each type of biscuit! Out local Lidl allowed only two 4-pint bottles of milk, per customer. So I would expect them to be able to quickly roll out the same thing again.
Indeed, I know the delivery services started doing that aswel.

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roger wrote:
Wed 23 Sep 2020, 8:56 pm
Unread post by IATthenRIAT » Wed 23 Sep 2020, 9:50 pm

With the Large supermarkets expected to face panic buying again, surely there is more the supermarket staff could do to stop bulk buying so enough stock will go round everyone who needs it - say at checkout refusing someone who rolls up with a trolley full of Loo roll or other bulk buys.
It's exactly what the supermarkets round here eventually did last time to stop the panic buying. I think our local Waitrose had a 3-item limit, and that meant a max of three packets of biscuits, not three packets of each type of biscuit! Out local Lidl allowed only two 4-pint bottles of milk, per customer. So I would expect them to be able to quickly roll out the same thing again.
Trouble is you basically only need one idiot in each shop to panic buy something and you've got a problem.

Say I'm that idiot (wibble 😬) and I go and buy all the loo roll I can, those who come in after me and were only going to buy a pack of 12 see that there isn't much left and - understandably - stock up themselves. Hey presto, you have a shortage.
With just the slightest bit of finesse, I might have made a little less mess.

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CJS wrote:
Wed 23 Sep 2020, 9:11 pm
roger wrote:
Wed 23 Sep 2020, 8:56 pm
Unread post by IATthenRIAT » Wed 23 Sep 2020, 9:50 pm

With the Large supermarkets expected to face panic buying again, surely there is more the supermarket staff could do to stop bulk buying so enough stock will go round everyone who needs it - say at checkout refusing someone who rolls up with a trolley full of Loo roll or other bulk buys.
It's exactly what the supermarkets round here eventually did last time to stop the panic buying. I think our local Waitrose had a 3-item limit, and that meant a max of three packets of biscuits, not three packets of each type of biscuit! Out local Lidl allowed only two 4-pint bottles of milk, per customer. So I would expect them to be able to quickly roll out the same thing again.
Trouble is you basically only need one idiot in each shop to panic buy something and you've got a problem.

Say I'm that idiot (wibble 😬) and I go and buy all the loo roll I can, those who come in after me and were only going to buy a pack of 12 see that there isn't much left and - understandably - stock up themselves. Hey presto, you have a shortage.
But surely its down to the store at check out to see this and refuse to allow that amount per person, I have seen people do it - before the virus and I thought it might have been people buying in bulk for othe rreasons - sometimes I have seen a take away buying lots of chicken for thier orders.

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I bought a 4 pack on Monday in my local Asda as I was down to my last 3 loo rolls. The shelves were virtually empty.

A picture of my Local Asda in Pipps Hill was in today’s Daily Mail, showing the empty shelves.

Just can’t understand this panic buying mentality. A large number of the population shouldn’t be locked down but rather locked up for their own (and others) safety, it’s insane.

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I bought a 4 pack on Monday in my local Asda as I was down to my last 3 loo rolls. The shelves were virtually empty.

A picture of my Local Asda in Pipps Hill was in today’s Daily Mail, showing the empty shelves.

Just can’t understand this panic buying mentality. A large number of the population shouldn’t be locked down but rather locked up for their own (and others) safety, it’s insane.

Indeed, Its crazy and No need for it, and the trouble is - its in the stores with people buying off the street causing the issue, as deliveries are restricted before you can buy, the stores need to be more controled so no one could buy things in bulk, I dont know if its the stores management / individual store managers or just the check out staff who are not policing this firm enough? shoudn't be that hard to say to someone at check out "sorry you can only purchase Two Four packs of loo roll" same with other items.

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Did anyone else see those tweets about some areas local council advising people to have a ready bag ready - what was that all about - was it a scam or something? havn't seen it mentioned since - it did freak out quite a lot of people on twitter.

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Wed 23 Sep 2020, 9:53 pm
Did anyone else see those tweets about some areas local council advising people to have a ready bag ready - what was that all about - was it a scam or something? havn't seen it mentioned since - it did freak out quite a lot of people on twitter.
It was the London Borough of Kingston-upon-Thames in London. It was part of a national scheme to let people know what they should have ready just in case there’s any need to carry out an emergency evacuation in their street/area. I’m certain it’s happened before with a council in the West Country.

The timing could have been better and the wording of the tweet is dreadful, giving absolutely no idea of the context in which the message is being sent. Quite understandably, some people were freaked-out by it. Whoever wrote it - and certainly whoever sanctioned it being sent out on the day it was - needs placing in different job. Incompetence of the highest order.
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Ken Shabby wrote:
Wed 23 Sep 2020, 10:12 pm
IATthenRIAT wrote:
Wed 23 Sep 2020, 9:53 pm
Did anyone else see those tweets about some areas local council advising people to have a ready bag ready - what was that all about - was it a scam or something? havn't seen it mentioned since - it did freak out quite a lot of people on twitter.
It was the London Borough of Kingston-upon-Thames in London. It was part of a national scheme to let people know what they should have ready just in case there’s any need to carry out an emergency evacuation in their street/area. I’m certain it’s happened before with a council in the West Country.

The timing could have been better and the wording of the tweet is dreadful, giving absolutely no idea of the context in which the message is being sent. Quite understandably, some people were freaked-out by it. Whoever wrote it - and certainly whoever sanctioned it being sent out on the day it was - needs placing in different job. Incompetence of the highest order.
Totally agree Ken, it seemed to have really scarred alot of people and the lack of a clear explanation didn't help.

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Wed 23 Sep 2020, 9:26 pm
Indeed, Its crazy and No need for it, and the trouble is - its in the stores with people buying off the street causing the issue, as deliveries are restricted before you can buy, the stores need to be more controled so no one could buy things in bulk, I dont know if its the stores management / individual store managers or just the check out staff who are not policing this firm enough? shoudn't be that hard to say to someone at check out "sorry you can only purchase Two Four packs of loo roll" same with other items.
One of the issues that supermarkets faced earlier during the initial weeks of lockdown is that vulnerable people, those with no transport & live nowhere near a big supermarket, the elderly etc would certainly have used online shopping, but since Covid 19, delivery slots were scarce, so others - neighbours, relatives etc done the shopping for them whilst getting their own. So, who is to say that the person at the till with 4 packets of biscuits or 3 packs of toilet roll may well be shopping for someone else too.

There is every posibillity they may be panic buying, but equally, they may just be helping those who need it.

How would you feel if you're told to isolate for 14 days, then ask a friend to do your weekly shop, only for them to return & say the shop would not allow the purchase of certain items, as the cashier / manager accused them of bulk buying?

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vandal wrote:
Wed 23 Sep 2020, 10:16 pm
IATthenRIAT wrote:
Wed 23 Sep 2020, 9:26 pm
Indeed, Its crazy and No need for it, and the trouble is - its in the stores with people buying off the street causing the issue, as deliveries are restricted before you can buy, the stores need to be more controled so no one could buy things in bulk, I dont know if its the stores management / individual store managers or just the check out staff who are not policing this firm enough? shoudn't be that hard to say to someone at check out "sorry you can only purchase Two Four packs of loo roll" same with other items.
One of the issues that supermarkets faced earlier during the initial weeks of lockdown is that vulnerable people, those with no transport & live nowhere near a big supermarket, the elderly etc would certainly have used online shopping, but since Covid 19, delivery slots were scarce, so others - neighbours, relatives etc done the shopping for them whilst getting their own. So, who is to say that the person at the till with 4 packets of biscuits or 3 packs of toilet roll may well be shopping for someone else too.

There is every posibillity they may be panic buying, but equally, they may just be helping those who need it.

How would you feel if you're told to isolate for 14 days, then ask a friend to do your weekly shop, only for them to return & say the shop would not allow the purchase of certain items, as the cashier / manager accused them of bulk buying?

I understand your point my wife and myself fell into a similar situation because of her age/health she/we had to isolate for Three months and with no support of family or friends etc we relied on getting our groceries and yes loo roll delivered by the main supermarkets, we were often having our shopping slashed as the store would tell us the day after placing an order, that they had ran out and we basically ended up with a bout a third of our order, this happened almost every time we placed an order - not improving till about June.

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Going to the shops myself is not a relaible idea as I suffer from COPD and breathing is not my best activity, so carrying bags of grocieries is not possible.
Infact this morning I ventured out to get some more electric wearing a mask and gloves and my COPD got the better of me and I nearly passed out as I struggled to breath in the mask.
Worrying yet embarresed It was also difficult when people rushed over to me - but had to keep distance, I was Ok but it was still not good.

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Going to the shops myself is not a relaible idea as I suffer from COPD and breathing is not my best activity, so carrying bags of grocieries is not possible.
Infact this morning I ventured out to get some more electric wearing a mask and gloves and my COPD got the better of me and I nearly passed out as I struggled to breath in the mask.
Worrying yet embarresed It was also difficult when people rushed over to me - but had to keep distance, I was Ok but it was still not good.
If you've been diagnosed with COPD you should not be wearing a mask.

If you have a Sainsbury's nearby, they have a lanyard - it's green with sunflowers on it & can be picked up from the Customer Services desk. It is designed to show others the wearer has a 'hidden disability' (such as Asthma, Autism, COPD etc) & that the person wearing the lanyard is exempt from wearing the mask. I posted this link a while back -

https://www.about.sainsburys.co.uk/news ... ard-scheme

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vandal wrote:
Wed 23 Sep 2020, 10:46 pm
IATthenRIAT wrote:
Wed 23 Sep 2020, 10:28 pm
Going to the shops myself is not a relaible idea as I suffer from COPD and breathing is not my best activity, so carrying bags of grocieries is not possible.
Infact this morning I ventured out to get some more electric wearing a mask and gloves and my COPD got the better of me and I nearly passed out as I struggled to breath in the mask.
Worrying yet embarresed It was also difficult when people rushed over to me - but had to keep distance, I was Ok but it was still not good.
If you've been diagnosed with COPD you should not be wearing a mask.

If you have a Sainsbury's nearby, they have a lanyard - it's green with sunflowers on it & can be picked up from the Customer Services desk. It is designed to show others the wearer has a 'hidden disability' (such as Asthma, Autism, COPD etc) & that the person wearing the lanyard is exempt from wearing the mask. I posted this link a while back -

https://www.about.sainsburys.co.uk/news ... ard-scheme

Thank you for the link, I think I read somewhere that severe cases are exempt - but didn't know I fell into those, also I guess even I worry about mixing with people and passing anything on to my wife who is worse off than myself.

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The App is now (finally) available.

If anyone needs the link (iOS): https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/nhs-covid-19/id1520427663

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The App works on a defined list of tested phones available here:

https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01167/en-us

As with the original failed NHS App, it doesn't work on my iPhone 5S, nor interestingly the latest Huawei smartphones.

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The App works on a defined list of tested phones available here:

https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01167/en-us

As with the original failed NHS App, it doesn't work on my iPhone 5S, nor interestingly the latest Huawei smartphones.
that may be because the latest huawei phones don't have as tight an integration with google as they used to because of america/china friction

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roger wrote:
Thu 24 Sep 2020, 7:50 am
The App works on a defined list of tested phones available here:

https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01167/en-us

As with the original failed NHS App, it doesn't work on my iPhone 5S, nor interestingly the latest Huawei smartphones.
As with any software, its impossible to be compliant with everything, especially obsolete hardware. I think most devices out there will be compatible.
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I'm surprised an APK hasn't been made available to allow those with new Huawei devices to install it.

Also surprised Apple haven't pushed an iOS update to allow it to work on at least the iPhone 6/S/Plus, I seem to recall they were going to!

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I must say I do feel sorry for Rishi. He is having to burn the economy due to his boss’ incompetence at getting the virus under control. He seems a decent and honest bloke that is stuck in an impossible situation.

Johnson was speaking at the UN world climate conference meeting this afternoon. What a bumbling embarrassment, if I didn’t know better I’d say he’d been on the bottle most of the afternoon. He was proclaiming good news that our carbon emissions were down, but said it was down to the Coronavirus, making the comments in a lighthearted way.

I see that in Scotland it is now against the law for students to return home to their parents home. When will the madness stop, I wonder whether it will happen here? The social and economic destruction of this country seems completely disproportionate to the risk.

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Absolutely disastrous. We could have a government as competent as New Zealand, but if this is how the public treats the virus, we’re all screwed for a long time.

Hopefully the now released test and trace app will help things, and the Government restrictions coming in, because as a nation we *must* do better than this.

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