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Twinpin wrote:Thanks to AMB for the shot of all the Hunters in the 70s. In the foreground left of that shot you can see a Hunter with a sharkmouth which was definitely still at halton in my time...
What I'm really interested in is the Sea Hawks in the shot from AMB. There are two fin tips visible as well as the nose of the third. I'd love to trace these as they look like very early examples. Anyone out there with the info?


I shot everything indivually in that line-up shot, including the Sea Hawks. Will scan the slides and identify them for you later.


Here are those two Sea Hawks seen in the line-up above. There were only two - you can see the nose of one and the fin tip of the other.

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This is FGA.6, WV794, which went to the AST Engineering School at Perth in 1980 and was scrapped there in 1984!

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The other one is FGA.6, WV795, which I'm pleased to say survives today preserved at Dunsford Park.
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Adrian - I think I'm seeing the same as TwinPin - 3 Sea Hawks in your shot? I've arrowed what I can see, and the 2 on the left are 2 seperate ones, plus that fin right down the far right-hand side...

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Thanks to Centaurus18 and AMB for the serials and pics of the Sea Hawks, they were about eight years ahead of me and were gone by the time I got there.

All I can tell 'Inthristwetrust' is that the Vulcans and Comet were gone by 1979 and the only 'large' aircraft left were the Argosies on the airfield. We did some ground runs in these and I'm sure they also served as bulk fuel storage for the smaller aircraft as there was no tankage on the airfield.

I have really enjoyed all the response from this thread and I will try to get myself organised enough to scan and post some Whirlwinds next and see what memories are jogged.

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Blimey, talk about 'Eagle Eyes' - nothing gets past you lot! :wink: Well I've just gone through all my slides from that visit and the memories come flooding back!
Indeed there were three Sea Hawks (eats humble pie :facepalm: ). You can see the third one behind this 43 Squadron Hunter F.4
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Now I know why I didn't bother to take it, as it was all-black XE390 of the former Fleet Requirement Unit at Hurn and I shot that one operationally at Hurn two years earlier.
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Here is former WV326 (7669M) Hunter F4 of 74 Squadron. Look on the floor and you can see the wings of Sea Hawks XE390 and XE369 (don't know where the fuselage of '369 was).
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Another Hunter F4, WV261(7780M) and you can see those sets of Sea Hawk wings again. BTW, anyone know who operated that Hunter with code 'RS'?

Good job I have all these slides to prevent the alzheimers setting in! :dizzy:
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Found this http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1230889/ via Google which indicates previous operator of WV261 as 229OCU, but I'm not entirely sure why it carried those unusual codes (yet..lol) More digging required :biggrin:
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229 OCU Vampires and Hunters were allocated two sets of code letters - ES and RS. Originally, ES indicated the Tactical Flight, while RS indicated the Gunnery Flight. The code letters fell into disuse following the Planned Flying Programme initiative in 1958.

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vampiredave wrote:229 OCU Vampires and Hunters were allocated two sets of code letters - ES and RS. Originally, ES indicated the Tactical Flight, while RS indicated the Gunnery Flight. The code letters fell into disuse following the Planned Flying Programme initiative in 1958.


Thanks for that Dave.
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hunterxf382 wrote:Adrian - I think I'm seeing the same as TwinPin - 3 Sea Hawks in your shot? I've arrowed what I can see, and the 2 on the left are 2 seperate ones, plus that fin right down the far right-hand side...

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I can see 4!! One just behind the Hunter on the right, and the fin at the far end!

EDIT: I note Adrian has spotted the one behind the Hunter in his shot.

Looking at the three, I'm not convinced that the '4' in the group shot apparent include WV794 (assuming all taken on the same occasion) as it is minus it's rudder, and the two tails seen in the pic have rudders. (WV795 is the aircraft further away on the left, as it has all those bottles in front of it). Presumably one of the tails is XE369, as they both look black.

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You can see the '4th' one hiding behind the hunter behind the blue screen here as welll - the fin tip is visible through the open Hunter cockpit, and it's behind the Hunter with 'A' on the tail.

Both 'fins' look black, which would tie in with the earlier listing of 3 black Seahawks at that time.

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Funnily enough, I don't have anything showing WV794 and WV795, which were the two grey and white ones that Adrian has posted.

But, I do have a shot of XE369 minus wings and in the all black scheme retaining its FRU code of 029. As far as I can tell, XE369 was on the other side of the Hunter that is visible behind Adrian's shot of WV795. If you look at the base of the Hunter fin, you can see there is a section missing at the forward edge - this appears to be the same Hunter that I can see behind the shot I have of XE369.

Furthermore, I can confirm that the identity of the Sea Hawk behind the Hunter coded 'A' was WV908. This was also in the black overall scheme but did not have any other code or markings apart from the serial number. It was also missing wings. So, there were definitely four - but those four don't include XE390, which Adrian clearly says was there that day.

So, there might even have been five!!! Putting cat firmly amongst pigeons...

For the record, the date was 7 May 1971.
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There were many others and I did get a few shots of them but, frustratingly, you can't see the serials in any of them.
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Twinpin,
your two Hunters are :
One coded 74 is XG290 F.6 (8711M)
The sharkmouth one (after lengthy arguments, sorry I mean discussions, is almost certainly WV276 F.4 (7847M), the year these shots were taken would be helpful, I am assuming around 1981.
I can confirm from my notes I noted four Sea Hawks that day (07MAY71), I think they were all in the workshops and were as follows :
WV794 FGA.4 (8152M)
WV908 FGA.4 (8154M)
XE339 FGA.6 (8156M)
XE369 FGA.6 (8158M)

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Buccaneer wrote:I can confirm from my notes I noted four Sea Hawks that day (07MAY71), I think they were all in the workshops and were as follows :
WV794 FGA.4 (8152M)
WV908 FGA.4 (8154M)
XE339 FGA.6 (8156M)
XE369 FGA.6 (8158M)


So what about WV795 that I posted a pic of?
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Yes I had forgotten that, so now can confirm with AMB's WV795 there were at least five confirmed Sea Hawks there that day.

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WV908 has no history of serving with the FRU. It was in store at Sydenham for most of the 1960s and indeed I believe its last posting was with 738NAS at RNAS Lossiemouth as '641' with LM shore code on fin until 1962, painted as WV794/5!

Could Halton have given it a makeover?!
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Just to throw in a bit of info from UK Serials:

WV902 Hawker Sea Hawk FGA6
d/d 18/01/1955, to 8153M at No.1 SoTT Halton, then to A2632 at SAH Culdrose, stored RNHF Yeovilton

WV903 Hawker Sea Hawk FGA6
d/d 18/01/1955, No.1 SoTT Halton 20/01/1971 as 8153M, SAH Culdrose 17/12/1974 as A2632, Lee-on-Solent 10/05/1985, RNHF Yeovilton, sold 2006, (C) Mold, Flintshire, fuselage stored Hooton Park, Cheshire

WV908 Hawker Sea Hawk FGA6
d/d 10/02/1955, to No.1 SoTT Halton 20/01/1971 as 8154M, to SAH Culdrose 28/10/1976 as A2660, to RNHF Yeovilton 28/09/1982. (In April 1958 WV908 was issued to 806 NAS, based at RNAS Lossiemouth. This period of service only lased three weeks, as the aircraft suffered damage following a forced landing. Sent back to Fleetlands for repair, it rejoined the Unit, now based at RNAS Brawdy, in July 1959. It was coded '188/A' for this role, wearing the colours it wears today, and stayed in service until 1960 when she was retired and placed in store. In October 1960 it was re-assigned to second line duties with 738 NAS at RNAS Lossiemouth, and stayed for a two-year period. Mothballed again in 1962, it remained in storage at Belfast until 1971, when it was loaned to RAF Halton and used a systems trainer for RAF engineers. In 1976 a team of engineers from RNAS Culdrose selected WV908 for their project to restore a Sea Hawk to flying condition. It was moved by road to Cornwall in November 1976, and a restoration started in earnest. On 23rd May 1978 WV908 flew for the first time since 1962)

WV794 Hawker Sea Hawk FGA6
d/d 04/10/1954, to No.1 SoTT Halton 20/01/1971 as 8152M, SAH Culdrose 17/12/1974 as A2634, to AST Engineering School, Perth 22/10/1980, scrapped there during 1984

WV795 Hawker Sea Hawk FGA6
d/d 27/09/1954, No.1 SoTT Halton 20/01/1971 as 8151M, s.o.c. 19/12/1977, SAH Culdrose 16/03/1977 as A2661, Rhoose, 06/09/1978, Peasedown St John, Avon 1981, Hurn 10/1989, to Dunsfold Park, Surrey

WV797 Hawker Sea Hawk FGA6
d/d 30/09/1954, No.1 SoTT Halton 20/01/1971, to SAH Culdrose 06/02/1975 for G/I as A2637, to AST Engineering School, Perth during 22/10/1980, preserved Midland Air Museum, Baginton, Coventry

XE339 Hawker Sea Hawk FGA6
d/d 31/03/1955, to 8156M, to A2635, (N) Gloucestershire, (F) Hooton Park

XE369 Hawker Sea Hawk FGA6
d/d 19/04/1955, to A2580, to 8158M, to A2633, perished Yeovilton 01/1994

and I make that 8 at Halton, and that's just a brief search around the timeframe :question:
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Pete,

thanks for all the histories which I agree with, please also ignore two of my listings as FGA.4's, forgot they were 'modded'. The strange thing is that WV908 was painted all black as though it might have been prepared to go to the FRU at some time, I can't think Halton did it as many of the others (as pics) were still in the normal scheme.

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That is indeed eight aircraft in the listing by hunterXF382 - but the histories for WV902 and WV903 look virtually identical...
WV902 Hawker Sea Hawk FGA6
d/d 18/01/1955, to 8153M at No.1 SoTT Halton, then to A2632 at SAH Culdrose, stored RNHF Yeovilton

WV903 Hawker Sea Hawk FGA6
d/d 18/01/1955, No.1 SoTT Halton 20/01/1971 as 8153M, SAH Culdrose 17/12/1974 as A2632

Finger trouble, perhaps...
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By UK Serials maybe, I just copied and pasted info :biggrin: Just re-checked and yes you are correct in that their site shows identical info for both it appears - well spotted!
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It's been amazing what a lot of information and great images this thread has brought out. Thanks to those who provided id for my shots of the Hunters. I have some Whirlwinds to post but I think they might be better in a new post (time permitting!)

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AMB wrote:A further step back in time to the same hangar in 1971, when I managed to get round with two friends when there were loads of Hunter F.4s there, still in full squadron markings of 43, 74 and 112 Squadrons among others, together with Sea Hawks and lots of other 1950s types.
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Shortly afterwards, Hawker Siddeley bought up all these Hunters, refurbished them and sold them to foreign Air Forces, such was the demand for Hunters at the time.


Fantastic! I was there at the time as an apprentice from 1970-1972 (217 Craft Apprentice entry)!