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ZE360 at Manston in 1991, in the company of visiting Hampshire Air Cadets. Wonder where all these smartly dressed boys and girls are these days? Many thanks to Dave Palk for the pic.

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Although this might sound like we are slightly late to our own party (as news has started to leak out from elsewhere) we have been so busy over the last couple of days that we haven’t had time to make our own announcement. Therefore, it is with a great deal of pleasure (and not a little relief) that we can confirm that XT597 and XT905 have now both arrived safely at their new home at Cotswold Airport, Gloucestershire. 905 has been there for the last three weeks, having arrived on the afternoon of 29th June and finally was joined by 597 on Wednesday.

After being forced by Covid-19 to abandon the initial intention to settle at Prestwold, Leicestershire, the safe arrival of these aircraft at Cotswold Airport marks the beginning of a new chapter for the BPAG and is the first step toward a bright new future. Plans are in place to develop workshops and visitor facilities on site and a major fundraiser to support this, with a number of special rewards, will be launched in the next few weeks. We will let you know more about this in due course. Thank you to all our members and volunteers who freely gave their time and effort to help make this happen and please feel free to join us in celebrating this achievement and congratulating everyone involved on a job well done.

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As previously mentioned, here are the first few of the backlog of pics from the recent aircraft moves. On 29th May, before the fuselage and wing sections moved, BPAG members and volunteers loaded up a trailer load of parts from XT597 and XT905 which were taken up to Cotswold Airport for storage. This consignment consisted of the outer wing sections, wing tanks and other smaller bits and pieces. Many thanks to all our members and volunteers who gave up their free time to help out.

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A compilation of various footage from the recent aircraft move to Cotswold Airport. Many thanks to Steve Pope for assembling and editing all this together.


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We were delighted to recently receive a most welcome donation from Charles Ross, who is Chairman of the Lightning Association. Cockpit instruments are high on our priority list, so this will be a valuable boost to the ongoing restoration process. A number of these are particularly notable because (as visible in the detail shot) they date right back to the very earliest days of the F-4K programme.

We would like to give our sincerest thanks to Charles and the Lightning Association for their generosity and also take this opportunity to ask any of you out there who may have any Lightning parts tucked away that are surplus to requirements, to contact them via their Facebook page- www.facebook.com/XR724 or website (www.lightning.org.uk) as they will be most gratefully received.

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We sometimes feel lucky and honoured to have the most amazing set of supporters at BPAG. This rear canopy, which is in excellent condition, was recently donated by a chap called Steve Donald and will be used on whichever of the two aircraft it fits best.

During a conversation over a very welcome cup of tea while collecting it, he revealed that he is the gentleman who took the incredible picture of XV589's final moments, which is arguably the most famous UK Phantom picture of all time. Steve is a life long Phantom fan and it was a privilege to meet him and his family. Suffice to say that we are incredibly grateful to him for his kind and generous contribution to the UK Phantom preservation cause.

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Saturday the 18th of September saw the BPAG roadshow roll into Cotswold Airport to attend the Battle Of Britain Vintage Fly-in. Although fielding a slightly stripped down version of our stand at Abingdon, the more intimate nature of the event, the quality of the display and a favourable location all meant our volunteers were kept busy. Despite much lower attendance than the last two events, we had a very successful day, enjoyed some great conversations with members of the public who were all very interested in our plans and happy to support us by purchasing merchandise. Thank you to everyone who stopped by.

Another useful aspect of these events is the chance to meet new, potential volunteers and this one did not disappoint on that front. It was wonderful to meet so many enthusiastic people who want to give up their time and talents to help restore and preserve our aircraft, we took many contact details and will be in touch in the near future. However, whilst not wishing to detract from anyone else we spoke to, one person does warrant special mention. The gentleman stood next to the seat is former Group Captain Laurie Hilditch, who- among his many other achievements- holds the distinction of being the last man to fly a Spey powered Phantom, when XT597 made its final flight on 28th January 1994. Mr Hilditch still has a great affection for 597 and will be working closely with us in the future. Watch this space.

This event will be our last public appearance for 2021, but we will be back next year, bigger and better. Once again, thank you to everyone who came and talked to us, offered their services or parted with their money to help us fund our projects. Finally, many thanks to our volunteers for their hard work and dedication.

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While the focus of recent attention has been the relocation of XT597 and XT905 and the associated activity at BPAG’s new home at Cotswold Airport, the last few weeks have also seen work restart on ZE360 at Manston.

Following on from the aircraft’s initial arrival at the airport in April 2021, on 11th September ZE360 was relocated to the Y-Pan to allow the working parties regular access and extra space. Engineering work subsequently recommenced with the process of clearing the wing and fuselage boundary in preparation for the wing/fuselage split.

Access to the D22 bay where a majority of the work is required is cramped and confined. With limited space to move around, this task only required a small crew to attend over the weekend of 9/10th October. Gaining access to the structure joining the fuselage to the wing was obtained by clearing a multitude of hydraulic and fuel lines and their associated valves while the removal of both the leading edge ducts and airbrake closure panels were finally completed- frustrating but vital tasks. The latter now means that hydraulic pipework can be accessed at a later date to drop the flaps. The weekend finished with minor maintenance on both of the trolleys currently stored on site, releasing three wheels that had seized up.

With plenty more to do before the aircraft will be ready take its turn to move to Cotswold Airport, we’d like to invite anyone who may be interested in gaining some hands-on time and becoming involved with ZE360 to email the group at bpagvolunteers@gmail.com

Special thanks go all our volunteers for their time, energy and assistance over the last few weeks. An honorable mention in dispatches goes to Sean Kemsley for supplying a towing vehicle at short notice. We’d also like to take the opportunity to thank Polar Helicopters and Manston Airport for their involvement and help in setting up 360’s new temporary home.

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The 21st of September saw a special event at Duxford’s American Air Museum, when three former 74(F) Squadron commanding officers reunited for a signing ceremony to raise funds for the ongoing restoration of Phantom F-4J(UK) ZE360.

The 74(F) 'Tiger' Squadron Association brought together retired Air Marshall Cliff Spink and former Group Captains Dick Northcote and Graham Clarke to add their signatures to a run of limited edition reproductions of an original painting by Rob Johnson depicting ZE360 and ZE359 overflying RAF Wattisham. The backdrop for the event was provided by ZE359 itself, which although presently displayed in US Navy colours, was part of 74(F) Sqn for the whole of the aircraft’s time in UK service.

The F-4J(UK) was a modified version of the American F-4J and was exclusively operated by 74(F) Sqn at RAF Wattisham, Suffolk between 1985 and 1991. All were ex-US Navy or Marine Corps machines, refurbished and configured to Royal Air Force specifications at NARF North Island, California. The aircraft became a vital part of the UK air defence network as well as participating in many exercises across Europe with NATO allies. Cliff, Dick and Graham were the only officers to command the squadron during its time with the F-4J(UK) and were brought back together in support of the ZE360 Restoration Fund.

They were also joined on the day by 74 Squadron Association committee members Rhod Smart and Bob Cossey, BPAG Chairman Paul Wright and BPAG Secretary/ZE360 Project Manager/74SA Webmaster Tony Clay and artwork commissioner John Gray. Many thanks to all the aforementioned for attending and to the staff at Duxford’s AAM for granting permission and making arrangements for the event.

A small number of these prints are still available and standard, non-signed versions will be offered soon. Contact Tony Clay at webmaster74tigersquadron@yahoo.com for more details.

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L-R Graham Clarke, Dick Northcote, John Grey (artwork commissioner) and Cliff Spink.

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Cliff, Dick and Graham with BPAG Chairman Paul Wright (left) and BPAG Secretary/ZE360 Project/74SA Webmaster Tony Clay (right)

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The 21st of September saw a special event at Duxford’s American Air Museum, when three former 74(F) Squadron commanding officers reunited for a signing ceremony to raise funds for the ongoing restoration of Phantom F-4J(UK) ZE360.

The 74(F) 'Tiger' Squadron Association brought together retired Air Marshall Cliff Spink and former Group Captains Dick Northcote and Graham Clarke to add their signatures to a run of limited edition reproductions of an original painting by Rob Johnson depicting ZE360 and ZE359 overflying RAF Wattisham. The backdrop for the event was provided by ZE359 itself, which although presently displayed in US Navy colours, was part of 74(F) Sqn for the whole of the aircraft’s time in UK service.

The F-4J(UK) was a modified version of the American F-4J and was exclusively operated by 74(F) Sqn at RAF Wattisham, Suffolk between 1985 and 1991. All were ex-US Navy or Marine Corps machines, refurbished and configured to Royal Air Force specifications at NARF North Island, California. The aircraft became a vital part of the UK air defence network as well as participating in many exercises across Europe with NATO allies. Cliff, Dick and Graham were the only officers to command the squadron during its time with the F-4J(UK) and were brought back together in support of the ZE360 Restoration Fund.

They were also joined on the day by 74 Squadron Association committee members Rhod Smart and Bob Cossey, BPAG Chairman Paul Wright and BPAG Secretary/ZE360 Project Manager/74SA Webmaster Tony Clay and artwork commissioner John Gray. Many thanks to all the aforementioned for attending and to the staff at Duxford’s AAM for granting permission and making arrangements for the event.

A small number of these prints are still available and standard, non-signed versions will be offered soon. Contact Tony Clay at webmaster74tigersquadron@yahoo.com for more details.

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L-R Graham Clarke, Dick Northcote, John Grey (artwork commissioner) and Cliff Spink.

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Cliff, Dick and Graham with BPAG Chairman Paul Wright (left) and BPAG Secretary/ZE360 Project/74SA Webmaster Tony Clay (right)

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As some of you may know from personal experience, aircraft preservation is an expensive business. Therefore, as you have no doubt noticed, we continually fundraise to support this work. Whether it is via special campaigns like the recent crowdfunder and the current print offer by our friends at the 74SA or ongoing methods such as the webstore and our regular online auctions, the proceeds go to fund our activities and we are very grateful to everyone for your support. We really couldn’t do this without you. So, we thought you may like to see a few examples of the kind of thing that your contributions have helped us to buy recently.

Firstly, a vital piece of ground equipment, without which ZE360 isn’t going anywhere. The Universal Stand has, as its name suggests, a variety of uses. In the case of the F4-J it was used with adaptor frames to remove and fit engines, which is exactly what we will need it to do in the very near future but it will also prove useful for lifting operations through the restoration process of all three of our aircraft. We have had this particular example on loan from its previous owner for some time but have recently been given the opportunity to purchase it outright. Having been stood outside for many years before we obtained it, it needs some remedial work to bring it back into service, which will be carried out by our volunteers in due course. We are now urgently searching for a pair of adaptor frames (the yellow items in the second pic) which we will need to allow us to remove the engines from ZE360, as we cannot split the fuselage/wing with engines fitted. Any leads anyone may have on these items will be much appreciated, please feel free to get in touch.

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The two smaller items are both Ebay purchases and are a good illustration of what is still hiding away in garages, sheds, containers and storage units around the country. The light units are taxy lamps, one of which fits into the forward nose landing gear door. As you can see these are in new-old-stock condition with no damage or discolouration. These were spotted and brought to our attention by one of our eagle eyed supporters, for which we are grateful. The other item is a wing tank fuel quantity sender. As you can see, it is effectively brand new, despite being 49 years old. This unit fits into the aircraft wing tank and feeds information into the aircraft fuel gauging system. Items like this are not generally kept as ‘man-cave’ items, so it’s nice to find them still around, particularly one that has never been used.

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Purchases like these, as well as the generous donations of parts and other Phantom related items we regularly receive, are a valuable part of our preservation efforts and contribute greatly to our ultimate goal of having three fully restored Phantoms preserved for posterity and on show to the public at the world's only dedicated F-4 Phantom museum. Thanks to everybody who helps us take another step, however small, toward the day when this finally becomes a reality.

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A dry and surprising warm weekend of 6th-7th November saw BPAG volunteers continuing work preparing ZE360 for its eventual dismantling. In the past much of the activity has been around the aircraft itself but, as reported recently, the group now owns a universal stand, a vital item needed for the engine removal process which also requires maintenance and repair.

The team were split into two groups each day with the first one focused on the stand, which began with stripping the frame down into its component parts so that repairs and surveys could be made. The hydraulic tank was removed so that a small split can be welded and repaired off site while the rams on the lifting frame were disconnected and inspected. At least one of the rams will require more attention before it will be fully functional but the equalising valves appear to be serviceable, the manual adjustment screw drives are free and the rig front mount can be angled as required, the worm drives require working and lubricating but they are OK and the overall condition of the stand is good. The BPAG are still in the process of locating adaptor frames for this unit, however, and would like to invite anyone with any information to please get in touch.

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Meanwhile, the other group continued the preparation work on ZE360. Most of the last remaining pipe work and cabling were removed from D22 bay, D42 left and right were accessed and the engine side mounts released and D54 left and right were also opened and the side mounts surveyed. The generator bay, RAT and chaff dispenser compartments were also accessed. Generator bay will need some structural repair works but the other two compartments are in good condition. However, the chaff dispenser tray is missing (which would be expected anyway) as is the RAT itself, which we didn’t expect but the example we salvaged from XV411 should be a direct replacement. Finally, ZE360’s somewhat bent AOA probe can now be changed for a pristine example, courtesy of our volunteer Peter Partridge, who kindly sourced and donated a replacement.

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We have now reached a point where the removal of the engines and trailing edge flaps are all that is needed before the fuselage and wing can be split and the aircraft readied for transport. We will therefore be appealing for volunteers with exact skill sets over the coming months but will look forward to welcoming other volunteers again once the aircraft reaches Cotswold Airport. Keep an eye on our website and social media for more details.

Thanks go to our volunteers for their time, energy and assistance over the weekend and to Polar Helicopters and Manston Airport for their support and time in allowing preparation work to continue onsite.

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An interesting pic we unearthed recently. F-4s from 54, 41, 6 Sqns and 228 OCU during a royal visit to Coningsby by Honorary Air Commodore, HRH Princess Margaret in June 1972. 41 Sqn had only been reformed for less than three months and has its colours presented to it by Princess Margaret at this occasion.

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I was an airframe mechanic on the OCU line in that period. Happy days.
At that time OCU had so many aircraft the towing team would start at 1 am for the swing shift to start pre-flights at 4 !!

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The weekend of 27/28th November saw the BPAG back onsite at Manston, continuing the work to prepare ZE360 for relocation. In a stark contrast to the previous visit, the weather was determined to let us know that it was now winter and a biting wind, with rain and hail, made it a challenging day.

The primary task on the aircraft was lowering the trailing edge flaps, which is the position they need to be in for removal. This is necessary before transportation, as the rear half of the flap is of honeycomb construction and therefore quite delicate. With no electrical supply for the hydraulic system available, a previously developed manual system was used. This involves connecting a hand pump to the hydraulic lines to provide the pressure to lower the flaps. This method applies the pressure directly to the actuator. It was a moment of cheer for the team when the flap gradually moved down for the first time since ZE360's last flight in 1991. The hinges have now been left soaking in penetrating oil, ready for the next visit.

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Elsewhere, servicing the universal stand continued. Hydraulic hoses and rams were removed and the decision made to replace the former entirely, for safety reasons, while the rams are going off site for servicing and testing before being refitted. Liberal applications of penetrating oil has now also seen all the hinge points freed off. Once we have the new and refurbished items in hand, we will rebuild the stand ready for the next big task, engine removal. In the meanwhile though, the search for the adaptor frames continues.

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Finally, as seen in the pictures, we have obtained a number of aircraft jacks to aid the dismantling process, these are a donation by BPAG management stalwart Mike Davey. These will not be used to raise up the aircraft, but to stabilise and support the fuselage and wing during the engine removal process, the same technique we have used successfully in the past.

Thanks go all our volunteers for braving the conditions at Manston and to Mike Davey for the incredibly generous donation of the jacks.
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Mr Davey is an all round good egg - and I was very pleased to receive my snazzy patch and certificate - notwithstanding the F4 isnt my usual type of aeroplane - it uses the wrong fuel, has too few wings and no propeller - was happy to support what is a splendid endeavour and will be a splendid Museum in due course as the home of all things British Spook.

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TEXANTOMCAT wrote:
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Mr Davey is an all round good egg - and I was very pleased to receive my snazzy patch and certificate - notwithstanding the F4 isnt my usual type of aeroplane - it uses the wrong fuel, has too few wings and no propeller - was happy to support what is a splendid endeavour and will be a splendid Museum in due course as the home of all things British Spook.

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Thank you for your support, it is much appreciated. We'll pass on you kind words to Mr Davey too.

BTW the Phantom does have a propeller- the RAT uses one!

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Technically isnt a RAT an impeller not a propeller? but it made me laugh :D

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Technically isnt a RAT an impeller not a propeller? but it made me laugh :D

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Wary of thread drift but I always thought an impeller was enclosed

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My understanding was a propeller provides thrust (ie propels using internal power) whereas an impeller receives power from external thrust- ie a RAT 🙂 and yes I too apologise for thread drift!

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My understanding was a propeller provides thrust (ie propels using internal power) whereas an impeller receives power from external thrust- ie a RAT 🙂 and yes I too apologise for thread drift!

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After two long days on the road, another item has now joined the BPAG display collection. We are pleased to say that we have the undercarriage training rig from the Phantom Ground School at RAF Coningsby. On loan to us from Mike Davey, it will join the hydraulic systems trainer rig that BPAG were gifted by Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre, which will also be restored as a fully functioning exhibit.

The undercarriage rig was collected from JetArt Aviation in Selby, where it has been stored for several years and transported via an overnight stop in Cheshire down to Cotswold Airport. With the generous assistance of Air Salvage International it was offloaded in some atrocious weather and the ASI forklift driver also shifted the fin and stabilator that were already on site. Thanks to ASI for their help and once again special thanks to Matt Gilby for not only providing the trailer and tow vehicle, but for doing ALL the driving.

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As the Christmas break will soon be upon us, the British Phantom Aviation Group would like to take a moment to send everyone our best wishes for the season. Thank you all for your support and enthusiasm during 2021. We will return in 2022, in what is shaping up to be a busy and eventful year. Everyone please stay safe, be careful and have a Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year.

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This month’s issue of FlyPast magazine features a whole section dedicated to the Phantom, which includes a 10 page article about F-4J(UK) operations, written by BPAG secretary Tony Clay. In the shops now or available to order from the Key Publishing website- https://shop.keypublishing.com/issue/Vi ... ruary-2022

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Over the last few months, the Group has received a number of generous donations which we will post details of in the coming weeks. We'll begin with this one, the relevance of which will no doubt be obvious.

This is the sticktop from XT597, which was presented to Laurie Hilditch after 597’s final flight on 28th January 1994. Laurie was pilot on that day, thereby becoming the last person to fly a Spey powered Phantom. This sortie was also navigator Jon Millo’s last flight as an RAF officer, so many things all came to an end that day.

The flight itself was actually a formal trials sortie involving air to air refuelling as part of the VC10 K4 final clearance tests and consisted of four separate refuelling brackets over the North Sea. However, the last flight of any UK F-4 could not go unmarked and the aircraft performed flypasts at Leuchars, Leeming and Coningsby in between brackets before returning to Boscombe Down for “a few gentle aerobatics” before landing for the last time, bringing the service life of British Phantoms to an end.

We are incredibly grateful to Laurie for passing this item onto us, together with everything it symbolises for UK Phantom history, and we will look forward to returning it to the cockpit from whence it came at the earliest opportunity.

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