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May be that was the surprise for 2018 Defendermad .?

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To partially address the issues regarding communications, take a look at this. It would seem that some of 63's old team are still more interested in trying to create problems for the old girl rather than doing something constructive towards aircraft preservation.

https://www.facebook.com/avro.shackl...type=3&theater

It seems they are best off out of it, confined to being keyboard warriors, and away from such things as screwdrivers and spanners with which they could actually do some real harm to an aircraft.

I just hope no other aircraft group has had the misfortune of saddling themselves with such cretins, for their own good.
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Blue_2 wrote:To partially address the issues regarding communications, take a look at this. It would seem that some of 63's old team are still more interested in trying to create problems for the old girl rather than doing something constructive towards aircraft preservation.

https://www.facebook.com/avro.shackl...type=3&theater

It seems they are best off out of it, confined to being keyboard warriors, and away from such things as screwdrivers and spanners with which they could actually do some real harm to an aircraft.

I just hope no other aircraft group has had the misfortune of saddling themselves with such cretins, for their own good.


Yes I was reading the various comments on the FB page earlier. Two sides to every story and all that, and there have clearly been issues in the past, but to do this seems very petty. The gentleman named on there was viewing this forum in the last two hours, so I'd be interested to hear his justification for these actions if true.

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Cannot see the facebook page, thou it does look a shame to be in this situation.
I know that the team looking after her are doing a grand job and feel she is in good hands.
To be honest I was seriously thinking of joining and giving them a hand now i have more time on my hands outside of work.
Think 558 was my last volunteer group many moons ago.
So with the Shack just down the rd from me it would be worth having a look maybe sometime.

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I heard today that the Shackleton Aviation Group haven't filed their accounts with companies house, just like the missing accounts for the Charity Commision! A familiar pattern is emerging here!

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Shackleton To The Skip!

If this thing ever flies I will eat my hat. An interesting project ruined by amateur hobbyists, and some petty turf war that has more than a whiff of 'pikey' about it. Same guys have been saying for years that the Shack-shaped scrap metal at Long Marston is going to be worked on/shipped out imminently. They've been playing that record for about five years now...

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Think I'll wait until something official.
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Think you’ll be waiting a long time
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Well, RichW was logged-on here yesterday & their facebook page appears to be still active ( updated a couple of weeks ago )
Not yet looked to see if there have been any recent updates on the likes of the Flypast forum.
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Engine runs planned for December, last i heared.

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vulcan558 wrote:Engine runs planned for December, last i heared.


There's a planned nightshoot on the 8th December with an engine run for £50 a ticket.

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This :

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It's anyone allowed to use the RAF100 logo? I assumed it was for officially affiliated events: branding issues can be quite sensitive sometimes. Maybe this is an RAF supported event though :dunno:
With just the slightest bit of finesse, I might have made a little less mess.

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CJS wrote:It's anyone allowed to use the RAF100 logo?


I've no idea from a legal perspective - would the RAF have gone to the trouble and expense of registering it as an official 'brand' or trademark? Give that it was paid for buy tax payers money I don't see how the RAF can really object and in in 6 weeks it will be consigned to history anyway.

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Well I don't think they are in for following rules and protocols, they appear a law onto themselves. It seems they are good at talking the waffle, but that's it. Why no accounts again? People, including myself have donated money, but have no proof of where it's gone, which legally they are entitled to! It's the most badly run project I've ever known, God knows how many volunteers they've gone through, and how many enemies they've made along the way, let alone the viscous manner they seem to utilise in loading with people who question them.

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So you have an axe to grind, then.
As with similar comments against the likes of VTST, if you have an issue with anything they do, make a formal complaint to the CC

Edited to add.....
Having spent a few minutes googling, the reason for there being no accounts lodged with the CC since 2016 could have something to do with the fact that the 'Shackleton Preservation Trust' ( CC details : http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1020951&SubsidiaryNumber=0 ) looks to have ceased to exist in 2016, when ( as per the WR963 website : https://www.avroshackleton.co.uk/about ) it ceased to exist & instead became the 'Shackleton Aviation Group'.
And if you look on the aforementioned SAG website, you'll find no listing of a Registered Charity Number.....all you'll find is the Company Number ( https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10598129 ) so as a guess they aren't registered with the CC any more ( I tried various wildcat searches just in case, but nothing turned up )

Yes, their accounts are overdue with CH....by just over a week.

Edited to add...
The SAG is a Community Interest Company ( CIC ) -- from what I can gather, a CIC isn't & can't be a charity ( https://www.communitycompanies.co.uk/community-interest-companies )
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These kind of responses are why I don't bother updating, as its just not worth the effort. Why pander to what seems to be just a few angry people pursuing some kind of half arsed vendetta on a dying forum..? Those that are genuinely interested know where to go to get news or updates.

Anyway, here's a little info for you. The team that still attend to our Shackleton are just getting on with it, and ignoring the asshattery that keeps attaching itself to anything we do thats percieved to be wrong by self appointed critics or the disenfranchised. So despite all the recent seething behind a keyboard on the Isle of Skye and spreading silly rumours like we're out of fuel, or suggesting the aircraft should be handed over to some people that think they're the remains of the charity that was/is/blew up in their faces - WR963 is serviceable.

All four engines run, pneumatics are fixed, hydraulics are fixed, radio fixed.

The SAG's company accounts have been filed, but not electronically hence the lag. They were two days late when recieved (Nowhere near the 50 or so late VTTS managed with the Charities Commission one year, but why spoil a good conspiracy.). There will never be another SPT account filed, as I think there's next to no chance that it will ever be revived.

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Hope that the Dusk Run is a success next month! :up:
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Thanks Howard! I hope so too. :smile:
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Two days late is LATE. Why not put them in early, to avoid criticism?

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Imagine a world where the Postal Office got things where they were supposed to be on time; especially when you pay for a courier and have it tracked. A lesson's been learned in that using the online filing would probably have been a better bet. But hey, if you want to join those seizing on anything however trivial to continue trying to beat us down, crack on.

The world's going to end, the Shackleton's going to get scrapped, its getting sold to the USA never to be seen again, we're all pikeys... *insert favoured prophecy of impending doom here* etc.

In reality, the worst case scenario is we've incurred a late filing penalty. :shock:
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It's not trivial. It's the law. How many months were there between the end of your accounting period and the latest date for filing? Why leave it till the last minute?

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Yes, it is trivial, as there's no further action. They were late - as you rightly point out according to law. There is a mechanism in place to deal with it and it has been dealt with. It didn't require anyone elses involvement, or opinion. This part of the story is done.

Furthermore, I'm not a Director of the company, and can't be bothered to play proxy for you faux outrage types by running back and forth to those that are; so if you want more info on accounting periods, go ask them yourself.

If you want nuts and bolts Shackleton info, you might get an answer off me.

Otherwise, jog on.
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Amazing, it can count. :clap:
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