Mike wrote:I'm not going unless we have at least five He 177s flying aerobatics, a three-ship of Catalinas and seven Tigercats. All in brilliant sunshine, and I think the ticket price will be a rip-off if it is any more than £2.50.
That all sounds great, though not sure about the brilliant sunshine, not unless you can get them to rotate the airfield 90 degrees?
If sunshine isn't actually sunshine at Duxford (or something) because of the airfield orientation, does that also mean rain isn't actually rain?
I hope you've bought your ticket for the Evening display at Duxford next weekend? I've been hearing enthusiasts banging on about Duxford's poor orientation for well over a decade now, but I'm also hearing that the upcoming first Evening show at Duxford for decades (with some lovely rare aircraft) is in serious need of a boost in ticket sales. Where are all the people who always hark on about Duxford being the wrong orientation!? Enthusiasts are hopeless...
Considering the shows only a few weeks away I was expecting an increase in aircraft confirmations yet it seems to have done the opposite. Still excited for the show though
UKAirshowTour wrote:Considering the shows only a few weeks away I was expecting an increase in aircraft confirmations yet it seems to have done the opposite. Still excited for the show though
Agreed. To only have 29 aircraft confirmed this close to the event (Not including the Reds here) is mighty unusual. I too was also expecting almost daily additions. Yes there are a core of us that would still get tickets even if there was no announcement, but I'm sure there is also a ticket selling benefit to publishing what is coming ahead of time. Particularly now we are in the "advanced ticket only" era.
Just looking back at the 2010 programme... 55 aircraft that year including 30 different types from all over Europe including the I-16, seven P-51s, three Skyraiders, an A26 etc etc. I keep reading that we have a flourishing warbird scene but that doesn't seem to be the case if the country's premiere warbird show is struggling to match an event nine years ago. An announcement a day wouldn't get us to this number and we've currently only been getting about two a week. Unless it's a return to the 'keeping things under wraps' approach, there does seem to be some kind of problem getting anything overseas authorised. With no transparency we're left to speculate and hope Jane and the gang work it all out. Only twenty days to go!
The frustration is they constantly put up messages on social media telling everyone to buy tickets. I bought mine months ago I just want to know what I’m seeing
yannyfoxx wrote:Just looking back at the 2010 programme... 55 aircraft that year including 30 different types from all over Europe including the I-16, seven P-51s, three Skyraiders, an A26 etc etc. ...there does seem to be some kind of problem getting anything overseas authorised. With no transparency we're left to speculate and hope Jane and the gang work it all out. Only twenty days to go!
You're never going to get that level of European participation ever again. There's a problem booking European civilian acts. It isn't in the Fighter Collection's interest to say, we'd love to book these European aircraft but the CAA is making that next to impossible. Without the CAA you don't get any airshow at all, so to "air your dirty laundry in public" about them doesn't make sense.
yannyfoxx wrote:Just looking back at the 2010 programme... 55 aircraft that year including 30 different types from all over Europe including the I-16, seven P-51s, three Skyraiders, an A26 etc etc. ...there does seem to be some kind of problem getting anything overseas authorised. With no transparency we're left to speculate and hope Jane and the gang work it all out. Only twenty days to go!
You're never going to get that level of European participation ever again. There's a problem booking European civilian acts. It isn't in the Fighter Collection's interest to say, we'd love to book these European aircraft but the CAA is making that next to impossible. Without the CAA you don't get any airshow at all, so to "air your dirty laundry in public" about them doesn't make sense.
Just the way things are now.
Would someone mind reiterating the problem with European based warbirds appearing in the UK, please?
+1.... If it's not Swedish jet-powered then I'm unaware of those restrictions too! ( I can't be alone in not understanding this SwAFHF situation either, okay to fly off the coast in UK. in Territorial Waters, but not overland?)
Bedslanc wrote:Basically most non UK caa approved displays can't display without getting a UK display authorisation
OK... I'm feeling ignorant about this too. Wasn't this always the case?
In the past, most arriving European aircraft (on Thursday or Friday before the show) were typically back in the air within an hour or two to conduct practice displays. I was always under the impression this was for pilot DA purposes. Is this not the case?
Stagger2 wrote:+1.... If it's not Swedish jet-powered then I'm unaware of those restrictions too! ( I can't be alone in not understanding this SwAFHF situation either, okay to fly off the coast in UK. in Territorial Waters, but not overland?)
I can answer the Swedish question, at least to some extent. The CAA requires an 'admin' fee of £10k (that was the fee at the time of the Scampton airshow) per pilot to recognise their Swedish DA. One UK show had sponsorship in place to cover that cost for just one pilot, but that fell through just prior to Scampton. ( that was the story I was told at least )
I am less clear why this isn't required on coastal displays.
Could this also be the problem for other non-UK display pilots ££££?
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