Finningley Boy wrote:
DerekF wrote:Trump and Johnson cannot be trusted to do what they say they'll do. That's why the opposition try and pass laws to force their hand. Not so long ago their word would have been enough. Not any more, not with these two serial liars.
Mind you they both can't be that deranged as to imagine their clear and abundant recorded confirmatory statements to the contrary, mean that, at least in Johnson's case, they/he must understand that should they now attempt renege, Johnson in particular will see his name ruined, his tenure as PM denounced and the Conservatives finished once and for all. Unless circumstances are unarguably beyond anyone's control which may determine a different outcome?
Trump said today he never wanted the NHS, he didn't know where the rumour came from. It was him, clearly saying everything was on the table. He would flip back around and say "but I never said we didn't want the NHS, Boris, I don't know the guy but the NHS was always on the table" and his base would lap it up.
Boris, well he is a serial liar, he has as a journalist written lies that saw him sacked, he has lied to multiple wives, he has lied to the queen and spaffed lots of public money up the wall and that hasn't affected his standing amongst his base. there is no way he will walk away from the table during negotiations with the USA, he's not a strong leader, he will give away the crown jewels if he has to. he probably won't have a choice because the USA will crush us in negotiations.
In any normal political era, the actions of, or even the accusations aimed at these men would have seen them step down or at the very least discredited. now it just enforces the narrative that they are men of the people.
If we sold off or privatised the NHS 10 years ago it would have caused anarchy. these days it could be spun and sold to people as a great plan and they would lap it up. a large chunk of people would support it because "it upsets lefties and I love lefty tears"