Was there not that weird quirk that practice displays were fine, but validations could only take place on a sterile/non-public airfield?
Perhaps I’m misremembering.
Was there not that weird quirk that practice displays were fine, but validations could only take place on a sterile/non-public airfield?
I guess the point of validating them is to ensure they are safe. Once validated, they're OK to perform in front of people, but it would rather defeat the object of validations if you could do then in front of the public wouldn't it?
Last time I did it you could pay on board but obviously only if there are spaces left so it's a risk!jasonT1981 wrote: ↑Fri 24 Jun 2022, 5:34 pmWith the flying starting at 9.45am now, I am looking at missing the start on Sunday as I don't get into Swindon until 9:10am as the first train to Swindon is 8:30am and usually only getting to Fairford for 10am.
Anyone any experience getting the National Express bus from Bristol to Swindon? it will get me into Swindon by 8am, meaning I will get to RIAT on time. Can you pay on board or is it pre-book only?
The USAF F-16 did a validation display on the Thursday evening in 2019, when the Romanian MiGs ran out of fuel after waiting down the western end. Or at least that's what the movements sheet describes it as....unless those rules have altered, validations were OK with people in P&V but not on the showground (FRIAT stand etc) last time
Areas need to be set up for show days and staff need time to rest before the very long days of show days. However under the regs (I can't quote which ones right now), practice displays are fine whilst the public are on the showground but validation displays are not.
Thank you, & thanks Tommy. I'm not so worried about validations, but more about arrivals in that time.boff180 wrote: ↑Fri 24 Jun 2022, 8:03 pmAreas need to be set up for show days and staff need time to rest before the very long days of show days. However under the regs (I can't quote which ones right now), practice displays are fine whilst the public are on the showground but validation displays are not.
Therefore over the past 5-6 shows, time has been given at the end of one of the arrivals days to allow for any validation displays to take place. After the public has left the airfield. RIAT do try to minimise this by validating as many displays as possible in advance.
Looks like the western loop is back.
Oh I know that, I'm just a worrier!!Tommy wrote: ↑Fri 24 Jun 2022, 11:53 pmScratching my head and trying to remember, but I’m quite sure FRIAT closes at 5:30 but P&V stays open for longer on Thursday. Im pretty sure I’ve been in P&Vs after 5:30, but it’s been a while so perhaps I’m wrong.
If there are arrivals late, the. There arrivals late. The team won’t have scheduled them deliberately outside hours unless absolutely necessary. Don’t worry, it’ll come alright, I think.
Looking back through my 2019 photos on Flickr and my last photo from East on the Thursday was taken at 6.42pm (Romanian C-27), I'm not sure if Flickr time is UK or an hour ahead though.Tommy wrote: ↑Fri 24 Jun 2022, 11:53 pmScratching my head and trying to remember, but I’m quite sure FRIAT closes at 5:30 but P&V stays open for longer on Thursday. Im pretty sure I’ve been in P&Vs after 5:30, but it’s been a while so perhaps I’m wrong.
If there are arrivals late, the. There arrivals late. The team won’t have scheduled them deliberately outside hours unless absolutely necessary. Don’t worry, it’ll come alright, I think.
The footprint of Park and View West is part of the public showground on Friday, Saturday & Sunday. So if you enter via the Green Customer Entry Point, you're already in that area. (It will not be called Park and View, it is part of the show). On Saturday and Sunday, you'll be able to walk there from anywhere on the showground. On Friday, if you're parked in another car park, you'll need to use the shuttle bus which takes customers to/from the Green CEP to get down there, as the Green Zone is closed to visitors whilst we park up the last of the static display aircraft ready for the weekend show days. (You'll of course need a Friday ticket to enter).Seamus wrote: ↑Fri 24 Jun 2022, 2:23 pmThis is very interesting Andy, is this officially confirmed? I can see no mention of it on the website, and can't remember it ever being open in previous years, but given the Swedes are due in Friday this is the place I and I'm sure many others would want to be for their arrival.
Park and View will be open until 1900 on Wednesday and Thursday, with a last entry at 1730. I will ask my colleagues to amend the website listing.G-CVIX wrote: ↑Fri 24 Jun 2022, 2:56 pmRIAT ATC states that their operational airfield hours are 0900-1900 this year yet P&V Weds/Thurs opening times are listed as 0730-1730 rather that the usual 1930.
There's the potential there to miss 3 hours of arrivals (if you're doing both days) and in the past, some of the most sought after aircraft have come in late in the day.
Indeed it is, please make sure you make the effort to walk down there and enjoy the static rarities on offer in the South West Loop!
Just to be mega clear - if I'm to leave the FRIAT enclosure I would need to do so with enough time to get down to park and view before 1730 rather than just be able to get kicked off the field at 1730 and then wander down to p&v?RIAT Air Ops wrote: ↑Sat 25 Jun 2022, 7:08 amThe footprint of Park and View West is part of the public showground on Friday, Saturday & Sunday. So if you enter via the Green Customer Entry Point, you're already in that area. (It will not be called Park and View, it is part of the show). On Saturday and Sunday, you'll be able to walk there from anywhere on the showground. On Friday, if you're parked in another car park, you'll need to use the shuttle bus which takes customers to/from the Green CEP to get down there, as the Green Zone is closed to visitors whilst we park up the last of the static display aircraft ready for the weekend show days. (You'll of course need a Friday ticket to enter).Seamus wrote: ↑Fri 24 Jun 2022, 2:23 pmThis is very interesting Andy, is this officially confirmed? I can see no mention of it on the website, and can't remember it ever being open in previous years, but given the Swedes are due in Friday this is the place I and I'm sure many others would want to be for their arrival.
Park and View will be open until 1900 on Wednesday and Thursday, with a last entry at 1730. I will ask my colleagues to amend the website listing.G-CVIX wrote: ↑Fri 24 Jun 2022, 2:56 pmRIAT ATC states that their operational airfield hours are 0900-1900 this year yet P&V Weds/Thurs opening times are listed as 0730-1730 rather that the usual 1930.
There's the potential there to miss 3 hours of arrivals (if you're doing both days) and in the past, some of the most sought after aircraft have come in late in the day.
Indeed it is, please make sure you make the effort to walk down there and enjoy the static rarities on offer in the South West Loop!
On other topics, it's worth pointing out there are subtle regulatory differences between a validation, practice and rehearsal which dictates how and when we perform them.
Cheers,
Peter
Brilliant, Peter, thank you for clarifying that, much appreciatedRIAT Air Ops wrote: ↑Sat 25 Jun 2022, 7:08 amThe footprint of Park and View West is part of the public showground on Friday, Saturday & Sunday. So if you enter via the Green Customer Entry Point, you're already in that area. (It will not be called Park and View, it is part of the show). On Saturday and Sunday, you'll be able to walk there from anywhere on the showground. On Friday, if you're parked in another car park, you'll need to use the shuttle bus which takes customers to/from the Green CEP to get down there, as the Green Zone is closed to visitors whilst we park up the last of the static display aircraft ready for the weekend show days. (You'll of course need a Friday ticket to enterSeamus wrote: ↑Fri 24 Jun 2022, 2:23 pmThis is very interesting Andy, is this officially confirmed? I can see no mention of it on the website, and can't remember it ever being open in previous years, but given the Swedes are due in Friday this is the place I and I'm sure many others would want to be for their arrival.
Cheers,
Peter
2019 there must have been around 7 as we had the types that you mentioned plus the mig-21, flanker and spanish harriers.
Jet Displaying is a loose term i use for aircraft that are participating in the flying display , be it flyby or demo.snicker01 wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jun 2022, 6:45 am2019 there must have been around 7 as we had the types that you mentioned plus the mig-21, flanker and spanish harriers.
2017 was a great year for front line fighters. Again we had the same types as this year plus f-22, rafale, mirage 2000, flanker, tornado. So thats around 9 types off the top of my head.
No doubt we are light in fighter types this year. Most previous years the US and French have provided good support in this department. Not sure whats changed in that department?
Thats not to take away from what looks to be a fabulous show. In my opinion a poor RIAT is still a great show (caveat: except the ones dogged by bad weather)!
Quite - I do wonder if it is an all time low for RIAT though... I thought it was much better than that till I saw your listAARDVARK wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jun 2022, 7:56 amsnicker01 wrote: ↑Sun 26 Jun 2022, 6:45 am2019 there must have been around 7 as we had the types that you mentioned plus the mig-21, flanker and spanish harriers.
2017 was a great year for front line fighters. Again we had the same types as this year plus f-22, rafale, mirage 2000, flanker, tornado. So thats around 9 types off the top of my head.
No doubt we are light in fighter types this year. Most previous years the US and French have provided good support in this department. Not sure whats changed in that department?
Thats not to take away from what looks to be a fabulous show. In my opinion a poor RIAT is still a great show (caveat: except the ones dogged by bad weather)!
Sure we are missing some significant players, no USAF teams, no French jets and eastern European ones (understandably).