FRIAT 2024

All you'll ever need to know about the UK's biggest airshow
Post Reply
User avatar
iainpeden
Posts: 3776
Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2008, 8:01 pm
Location: Great Oakley, Corby, Northants

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by iainpeden »

On Friday the aircraft in red and blue areas are in place so you can walk to FRIAT from the car parks. Green zone is still live so to get from the green car park you use the internal shuttle bus. On Monday FRIAT run a walking bus across from blue gate only to get into the stand. Morning is ok because they usually move aircraft to red or green end. However, last year I was an hour in the queue to get back to the car park because the USAF -15s and -35s parked at show centre were running and we were not allowed past; so while a taxi would be okay on Monday to get in you couldn’t guarantee being back at the blue car park at a set time.
(Mark Twain: There are lies, there are damn lies and then there are statistics)

Stagger2
Posts: 1987
Joined: Thu 16 Jun 2011, 9:46 am

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by Stagger2 »

ThatDutchDude wrote:
Tue 27 Feb 2024, 5:22 pm
Daring to ask, this edition I am doing 6 days for the first time, I am planning to travel per taxi to the P&V days, the only issue is that I am not entirely sure if that would work, nor how to get to the FRIAT enclosure seeing it is situated in the middle of the crowdline and with all the taxiing aircraft I do not expect you can just walk there, anyone who has tips, advice etc? Appreciate it in advance!
I note you are staying in Swindon. If you feel able to clarify if you are travelling solo & which Hotel/Accommodation you're staying at, I'm sure there will be many of your Countrymen passing there along with numerous other persons either staying at the same premises or nearby. Gotta be a lift available for the cost of a Beer afterwards? Following-on from the previous post there must also be somebody at least leaving when you do who's going that way! :wink:

ThatDutchDude
Posts: 323
Joined: Fri 10 Jun 2022, 1:35 pm

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by ThatDutchDude »

Stagger2 wrote:
Wed 28 Feb 2024, 1:57 am
ThatDutchDude wrote:
Tue 27 Feb 2024, 5:22 pm
Daring to ask, this edition I am doing 6 days for the first time, I am planning to travel per taxi to the P&V days, the only issue is that I am not entirely sure if that would work, nor how to get to the FRIAT enclosure seeing it is situated in the middle of the crowdline and with all the taxiing aircraft I do not expect you can just walk there, anyone who has tips, advice etc? Appreciate it in advance!
I note you are staying in Swindon. If you feel able to clarify if you are travelling solo & which Hotel/Accommodation you're staying at, I'm sure there will be many of your Countrymen passing there along with numerous other persons either staying at the same premises or nearby. Gotta be a lift available for the cost of a Beer afterwards? Following-on from the previous post there must also be somebody at least leaving when you do who's going that way! :wink:
Still 5 months left to get everything pinned out, currently have already been talking with a couple people from the Netherlands and Belgium, appreciate all the help!

User avatar
rockfordstone
Posts: 1339
Joined: Wed 14 Feb 2018, 8:40 pm
Contact:

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by rockfordstone »

iainpeden wrote:
Tue 27 Feb 2024, 8:08 pm
On Friday the aircraft in red and blue areas are in place so you can walk to FRIAT from the car parks. Green zone is still live so to get from the green car park you use the internal shuttle bus. On Monday FRIAT run a walking bus across from blue gate only to get into the stand. Morning is ok because they usually move aircraft to red or green end. However, last year I was an hour in the queue to get back to the car park because the USAF -15s and -35s parked at show centre were running and we were not allowed past; so while a taxi would be okay on Monday to get in you couldn’t guarantee being back at the blue car park at a set time.
i think they operate the same walking bus on thursday if you go to the enclosure. i've not used it though because normally i'm in P&V East on Thursday

User avatar
Wrexham Mackem
UKAR Staff
Posts: 2520
Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2008, 5:46 pm
Location: Farndon, Chester

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by Wrexham Mackem »

rockfordstone wrote:
Wed 28 Feb 2024, 9:04 am
iainpeden wrote:
Tue 27 Feb 2024, 8:08 pm
On Friday the aircraft in red and blue areas are in place so you can walk to FRIAT from the car parks. Green zone is still live so to get from the green car park you use the internal shuttle bus. On Monday FRIAT run a walking bus across from blue gate only to get into the stand. Morning is ok because they usually move aircraft to red or green end. However, last year I was an hour in the queue to get back to the car park because the USAF -15s and -35s parked at show centre were running and we were not allowed past; so while a taxi would be okay on Monday to get in you couldn’t guarantee being back at the blue car park at a set time.
i think they operate the same walking bus on thursday if you go to the enclosure. i've not used it though because normally i'm in P&V East on Thursday
They do indeed. Its a walking bus on Thursday.

User avatar
iainpeden
Posts: 3776
Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2008, 8:01 pm
Location: Great Oakley, Corby, Northants

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by iainpeden »

The feedback from the FRIAT forum has just dropped into my inbox; as ever some very useful information and a very nice addition to the static.
My one worry is the potential lack of fast track entrance at blue gate; one hopes that the police objection can be overcome as the reality is it's not a security bypass as we all still have to go through security anyway.
(Mark Twain: There are lies, there are damn lies and then there are statistics)

Domvickery
UKAR Staff
Posts: 2286
Joined: Tue 02 Sep 2008, 7:57 pm

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by Domvickery »

What’s the addition?

I can only see the Alize which had been announced since the forum
Free straws available to clutch at - PM me. Inventor of the baguette scale

User avatar
boff180
UKAR Staff
Posts: 9904
Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2008, 3:28 pm
Location: Solihull
Contact:

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by boff180 »

Nice to see the CONUS US static restrictions info

bishbashbosh
Posts: 182
Joined: Wed 25 May 2022, 2:18 pm

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by bishbashbosh »

Agree that I don’t understand the logic with regards to the FRIAT queue so perhaps someone who was there can fill in the gaps. All the queue does is put FRIAT members at the front of the general public queue when the gates open. They still go through the same security.
2024 shows: Abingdon, Cosford, Sywell, RIAT, Zeltweg with a couple of Duxford and Shutteworth shows thrown into the mix.

User avatar
iainpeden
Posts: 3776
Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2008, 8:01 pm
Location: Great Oakley, Corby, Northants

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by iainpeden »

Domvickery wrote:
Mon 15 Apr 2024, 5:46 pm
What’s the addition?

I can only see the Alize which had been announced since the forum
I’d missed the announcement of the Alize.
(Still addicted to the good old days when part of the excitement was turning up the first morning to see what had arrived!😉)
(Mark Twain: There are lies, there are damn lies and then there are statistics)

User avatar
G-CVIX
Posts: 2401
Joined: Mon 01 Sep 2008, 8:39 pm
Location: Falmouth
Contact:

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by G-CVIX »

I cannot fathom why it makes a difference to security to have the FRIAT fast track lane. As mentioned above, all it does is bypass the public queue and you go through the same security. If we lose the fast track access there's no way I can continue to justify attending the show through FRIAT & I don't think I'm the only one.

User avatar
Tommy
UKAR Staff
Posts: 9620
Joined: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 11:39 pm

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by Tommy »

It says we “may” lose access, not “will”, but I agree.

I’m not sure how that makes a difference from a security point of view at all. Everyone passes through the same gate/checks. It’s just that FRIATers get to go through that entrance up to those security gates 30 mins early, and then the punters join on the back.

I’m not sure how the 100% bag search makes a difference to that.

Degsy
Posts: 26
Joined: Sun 29 Aug 2010, 3:12 pm
Location: Liverpool UK

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by Degsy »

+ Two hear @C-CVIX and its looking like the catering is not what we want as well it was the only place to get a bacon butty last year. Whats next to cut.. the stand?

Albion143
Posts: 135
Joined: Fri 22 Jun 2012, 1:24 pm

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by Albion143 »

Even though I’m a FRIAT member I don’t seem to have got this email. Would anyone be so kind to send it over to me if I DM you my address please?

Hammerhead
Posts: 86
Joined: Mon 01 Sep 2008, 7:40 pm
Location: Dublin Ireland

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by Hammerhead »

Albion143 wrote:
Mon 15 Apr 2024, 8:09 pm
Even though I’m a FRIAT member I don’t seem to have got this email. Would anyone be so kind to send it over to me if I DM you my address please?
First check your junk email folder as some people have had their FRIAT emails end up there, if you still don't have it contact Wendy and she will send it on to you...

frank
Posts: 1256
Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2008, 6:16 pm

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by frank »

G-CVIX wrote:
Mon 15 Apr 2024, 6:43 pm
I cannot fathom why it makes a difference to security to have the FRIAT fast track lane. As mentioned above, all it does is bypass the public queue and you go through the same security. If we lose the fast track access there's no way I can continue to justify attending the show through FRIAT & I don't think I'm the only one.
I totally and utterly agree with your comment. What on earth are FRIAT thinking, this is one of the two biggest attractions to being a member. I would seriously consider not renewing my FRIAT membership - no strike that, I would almost certainly not renew it. I would probably just do P&V.
We still go through the same security tent etc the only addition we create is the manning of the gate - from memory there is usually two squaddies there - is that really a concern to security esp as RIAT have our names, addresses, bank account details etc etc.
With falling numbers at FRIAT due to the MACH 3 decision there will IMHO be a significant drop with this piece of nonsense.

frank
Posts: 1256
Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2008, 6:16 pm

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by frank »

Just another thought, FRIAT stated that they are removing the fast track entry benefit from the website. If it is confirmed in due course as not available then they should offer cancellation with a complete refund to anyone who bought tickets and no longer wish to attend.

bishbashbosh
Posts: 182
Joined: Wed 25 May 2022, 2:18 pm

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by bishbashbosh »

Perhaps it might be to do with not wanting people to queue along the fence, but there are surely other areas for the queue (hence they are looking into options).

I agree this is one of the biggest selling points of FRIAT along with Monday departures.
2024 shows: Abingdon, Cosford, Sywell, RIAT, Zeltweg with a couple of Duxford and Shutteworth shows thrown into the mix.

User avatar
rockfordstone
Posts: 1339
Joined: Wed 14 Feb 2018, 8:40 pm
Contact:

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by rockfordstone »

Tommy wrote:
Mon 15 Apr 2024, 7:54 pm
It says we “may” lose access, not “will”, but I agree.

I’m not sure how that makes a difference from a security point of view at all. Everyone passes through the same gate/checks. It’s just that FRIATers get to go through that entrance up to those security gates 30 mins early, and then the punters join on the back.

I’m not sure how the 100% bag search makes a difference to that.
knowing the police, they probably haven't grasped that's its not a fast lane that skips security and probably needs a bit more clearer discussion.
when i've dealt with the police around planning, they normally just respond with pre selected wording and it needs to be spelt out to them.

wdg
Posts: 184
Joined: Wed 06 Jun 2018, 6:31 pm

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by wdg »

I don't think it even needs to be a separate gate - they were trying to get people queueing in the car park last year rather than on the road, so just keep that, have a separate queue in the car park for FRIAT and release that queue before the main one.

Anyone who arrives after the initial FRIAT queue has gone in could be treated like a queue-jump at a nightclub - you go up to the gate, show the bouncer your pass and he lets you through the rope. Anyone without a pass is politely directed to the back of the line.

User avatar
capercaillie
Posts: 9487
Joined: Mon 01 Sep 2008, 4:04 pm
Location: Leominster

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by capercaillie »

Well for a lot more money year on year the package is decidedly getting poorer value for money.

Less aircraft to photograph on Monday departures (sign of the times)
Worse food
Since Friday has become a public day no clear walk around the static on the day before
No escorted static walk around on the Thurday evening after the above came into force
A ruddy great building and its associated distractions put up in front of the stand killing many low level departures
Now a simple thing of a queue ahead of a queue on public days is apparently too much for anyone to handle
"The surrogate voice of st24"

My flickr photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/146673712@N06/

User avatar
Wrexham Mackem
UKAR Staff
Posts: 2520
Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2008, 5:46 pm
Location: Farndon, Chester

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by Wrexham Mackem »

That's the thing, the diversion of the FRIAT part of the queue seems such a minor thing; as is clear to us all the queue is before any contact with security checks. The explanation doesn't make sense to me. I find it very hard to believe it can't be managed.

User avatar
boff180
UKAR Staff
Posts: 9904
Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2008, 3:28 pm
Location: Solihull
Contact:

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by boff180 »

frank wrote:
Tue 16 Apr 2024, 8:36 am

We still go through the same security tent etc the only addition we create is the manning of the gate - from memory there is usually two squaddies there - is that really a concern to security esp as RIAT have our names, addresses, bank account details etc etc.
Not defending nor am I representing the correct/official answer, this post is purely my opinion. But I would suggest that this isn't about the security risk posed by genuine FRIAT members outside of the security check in their own queue but a potential risk identified by the Police (and I say the Police - not DBH) of someone "else" joining/taking advantage of the secondary queue. A risk that then has to be managed/mitigated in addition to the main crowd/queue - increasing complexity of the situation and the resources required from their perspective - something they perhaps haven't got the appetite to do much to everyones annoyance.

As the note says though, this is a "may happen" wait and see.

ThatDutchDude
Posts: 323
Joined: Fri 10 Jun 2022, 1:35 pm

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by ThatDutchDude »

capercaillie wrote:
Tue 16 Apr 2024, 12:55 pm
Well for a lot more money year on year the package is decidedly getting poorer value for money.

Less aircraft to photograph on Monday departures (sign of the times)
Worse food
Since Friday has become a public day no clear walk around the static on the day before
No escorted static walk around on the Thurday evening after the above came into force
A ruddy great building and its associated distractions put up in front of the stand killing many low level departures
Now a simple thing of a queue ahead of a queue on public days is apparently too much for anyone to handle
What do you specifically mean with less aircraft during monday departures? Does it have to do with the opening times of the FRIAT enclosure?

User avatar
capercaillie
Posts: 9487
Joined: Mon 01 Sep 2008, 4:04 pm
Location: Leominster

Re: FRIAT 2024

Post by capercaillie »

ThatDutchDude wrote:
Tue 16 Apr 2024, 2:11 pm
capercaillie wrote:
Tue 16 Apr 2024, 12:55 pm
Well for a lot more money year on year the package is decidedly getting poorer value for money.

Less aircraft to photograph on Monday departures (sign of the times)
Worse food
Since Friday has become a public day no clear walk around the static on the day before
No escorted static walk around on the Thurday evening after the above came into force
A ruddy great building and its associated distractions put up in front of the stand killing many low level departures
Now a simple thing of a queue ahead of a queue on public days is apparently too much for anyone to handle
What do you specifically mean with less aircraft during monday departures? Does it have to do with the opening times of the FRIAT enclosure?
I specifically mean we have less aircraft than we used to. Monday is why the majority of us (on here) splash out for FRIAT, so we can get the money shot departures. From the 350+ aircraft peak of the 90s, we're lucky to see 200 go home on Monday these days. From £50 quid back then to £300 now is a big increase for less return.
"The surrogate voice of st24"

My flickr photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/146673712@N06/

Post Reply